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No, but you're attempting to put words into my mouth.

You're making assumptions too, it seems, of what scenarios I believe it's safe for rolling stops to occur - or what state a person will be in when they're doing it. For example, I don't drive when I'm very tired, and whether I am tired at all or not, if weather conditions or if traffic conditions

Maybe we shouldn't allow airplanes to been flown anymore because "you can get away with it a hundred times, or a thousand times, but eventually you'll" crash?

I wonder if you're convoluting different rules, like your assumptions, and not differentiating that different rules are more serious than others - giving the same weight to less serious rules than those that are more serious. E.g. Speeding through a red light during rush hour is different than a pedestrian jaywalking - yet both are illegal.

And before someone comes in to say a jaywalker can't do the same damage as a vehicle, here's my personal story: I was riding my bicycle, going a normal speed, vehicles parked along the side as they were allowed to - and the perfect scenario for a collision occurred: a tall, strong man walked out into the street - looking the opposite direction first - from behind a box van with no windows, and stepped right into my path with no time for me to put my breaks on. I crashed into him - he didn't actually move - and I had whiplash, my jaw slammed shut, I bite the right side tip of my tongue 80% off in a deep cut, and multiple teeth were split and chipped; him and his girlfriend didn't stay around, they actually laughed about it as they walked away, and I was in shock - and in pain - and so I didn't realize I should have called the police.




If you bend the rules around rolling stops, I don't trust you not to bend your rules you claim to have about driving tired or in bad weather.

I'm almost positive you'll violate those rules as well.

I just believe that you're a flawed human being like all the rest of us. And so its safer if you follow rules consistently and stop trying to optimize things away that don't need to be optimized. Same thing with using your turn signal every single time because even if you think you 'need' to you should always do it for the pedestrian, vehicle or bicycle that you don't see -- or even the person violating the law and driving down the shoulder of the highway.

And I don't even understand how your example is relevant. But you should take the lane and stay away from the door zone if you're bicycling (and when you're driving you should be careful about the door zone as well). They were in the wrong, but it sounds like you're not very aware either, which kind of only reinforces my point.


You're making assumptions again. From your perfectionistic-like attitude, you're probably a worse driver than I am - how's that for an assumption? Though I'm generally good at orienting myself compared to others, it'd be neat to actually learn our different driving styles and see who's a better, more responsible, more aware driver.

And arguably people who rigidly follow rules could be far more dangerous on the roads than not. For example, people who only go 100 kilometres per hour highways in Ontario - the speed limit on most highways here - even in the slow lane, cause traffic to have to move into passing/fast lane to go around them.

The back of a box van didn't have an outward moving door zone - and it was impossible to see that there was a pedestrian about to step out because the box van had no windows; nice try cherrypicking and not understanding/visualizing my argument fully/accurately in order to try to make an argument point.

So do you go exactly the speed limit where you live - or perhaps you even below the speed limit on highways?

I do always put my turn signal on because that's respectful as a warning to let people know your intentions ahead of time, and the blinking alerts the brain to a change before the movement actually starts (at least that's how they're meant to be used).

You didn't respond however to my example of rolling forward at an intersection, say where you're turning right, but it's a blind spot to the left - so you have to roll out as normal behaviour - to check if it's safe to continue with the full turn. So are you saying people should never do this, even though it's accepted-common practice (and what they actually teach in driving schools), because it's the same behaviour as a rolling stop - except the person comes to a full stop first and then slowly rolls out?

With all the assumptions you're making, I'm curious how quickly you're imagining the rolling stops I do are - in the limited circumstances/scenarios/contexts that I actually very occasionally do them?

I appreciate the conversation BTW - so thank you.




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