I think you're striving for absolutes where only relatives exist.
You're right that I said 3-4x in one place and 2-3x in another. Sorry. It's a gut feeling. Is it 2x, 3x, 4x? One of those. Any of those depending on the code. Somewhere in the middle. It's going to depend on the specific code. You can't reasonably suggest that language X is always Nx more concise than language Y, surely?
So, somewhere in that space, Scala is a substantially more concise than Java (will you allow "substantially"?) and Clojure seems to be substantially more concise than Scala.
You're right that I said 3-4x in one place and 2-3x in another. Sorry. It's a gut feeling. Is it 2x, 3x, 4x? One of those. Any of those depending on the code. Somewhere in the middle. It's going to depend on the specific code. You can't reasonably suggest that language X is always Nx more concise than language Y, surely?
So, somewhere in that space, Scala is a substantially more concise than Java (will you allow "substantially"?) and Clojure seems to be substantially more concise than Scala.
Is that suitably vague for you? :)