I've had a horrible experience on PC with early Brave. I'll never install that again. Just understand this, you don't trust Google, fine... Now do you trust some randos telling you you should trust them instead of Google...

I'm inclined to trust Brenden Eich over Google or random compiles.

Yeah, because they don't control half of the internet.

How early? Could be worth trying again.

I think I trust a random binary blob more than I do Brave's random binary blob, with all of it's crypto lug-alongs.

The crypto stuff does weird me out. But I'd rather use it than a google product.

How about Firefox? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29378307

I use Firefox as my main browser, Brave as backup foot sites that don't work well with FF. Brave does a good job with randomizing fingerprints.

Pretty easy to turn off the crypto stuff

Agreed. That's what I did.

I'd rather use a Google product than a Brendan Eich one.

Well why choose? Just use neither.

I don't know, Brave has always broken more sites and failed to block more ads for me, than either Chromium or Firefox with uBlock Origin.

Vivaldi Browser is a better Chrome clone than Brave.

Interesting, that source code is growing FAST though, I wonder why that is...

https://vivaldi.com/source/

edit: "integrated email client" Ok now I see why ;)

Vivaldi, just like Opera back in a day has things integrated, yeah... They even have Philips Hue controls https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/miscellaneous/philips-hue/

I thought Vivaldi was closed source for some reason, so thank you for this! I may be using that more often now!

The UI is closed source.

Right, I didn't know that

> Note that, of the three layers above, only the UI layer is closed-source. Roughly 92% of the browser’s code is open source coming from Chromium, 3% is open source coming from us, which leaves only 5% for our UI closed-source code

That changes the equation quite a bit.

It's still readable and editable, AFAIK. At least the CSS files.

It's obfuscated.[1]

[1] https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser...

Vivaldi is the definition of bloat. What was that saying, that all software grows until it bundles an entire mail client? Yeah, that's Vivaldi.

It's just doing the same stuff Opera did (with a much less pleasing engine).

I've used Vivaldi for years but now I'm getting split on it. I've got regressions that are just unacceptable (especially when it comes to video playback), but at the same time it comes with features I can't live without.

Zawinski's Law of Software Envelopment : “Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can.”

I mean, there are different setups of Vivaldi you can choose when you first open the browser: https://vivaldi.com/features/#essentials

Essentials gives you the very basic stuff, classic gives you some extra features, and fully loaded gives you the built in mail client and all that other stuff.

because reasons?