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Do you mean the File/Edit/View menu bar, or the Dock?

The Dock has been configurable forEVER. I ran it on the side for many years before switching back to the bottom.



Yes, the File/Edit/View menu bar that has to be at the top.


I have never even heard of someone wanting this, let alone doing it. Are you saying you do this in Windows programs?


This very discussion shows that two people can have differing opinions and thus, the choice should be left to the user. That is my main point.

Now, on a completely different note : a little bit more about the Vertical layout. Here are two articles with screenshots. It's awesome and now I can't go back to Horizontal taskbar ever.

https://www.groovypost.com/howto/howto/vertical-vs-horizonta...

https://adamhollett.com/posts/2014/02/move-your-taskbar-to-t...


Those articles are about the Windows Taskbar, not the menu I was talking about. This is what I was trying to clarify in my earlier question, when I asked "Do you mean the File/Edit/View menu bar, or the Dock?"

You insisted at the time that you meant the MENU bar, not the Dock, but now it appears that was incorrect.

This got a little long, but the tl;dr here is that you are confused on terms, and that the thing you say can't be moved on the Mac absolutely can be, and always could be.

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One of the ways in which Win and MacOS are different is that, in MacOS, the File/Edit/View menu is always across the top of the screen, not bound to a specific window. I'm typing this in Firefox. I have several Firefox windows open, but NONE of them have a File menu. The menus for Firefox are across the top of my monitor.

In Windows, by contast, this menu is part of each window spawned by a given application. Most modern Windows programs use the Ribbon style menu, but some older or less-updated tools (e.g., SQL Server Management Studio) use the old-style. If I were doing this post on Firefox on Windows, each of my Firefox windows would have its own File/Edit/View menu.

In both Mac and Windows, this menu is always in this known position -- ie, on a Mac, it's across the top of the screen; on Windows, it's part of the top of each app window. It cannot be moved (to the best of my knowledge).

What YOU are talking about (and what those articles are talking about) is called the Taskbar in Windows. The analogous item in MacOS is the Dock. In both systems, the default location is the bottom of the screen, and in both systems it is possible to change this.

-> In Windows, the Taskbar can be placed on the bottom (default), either side, or across the top of the screen.

-> In MacOS, the Dock can be placed on either side or the bottom; you can't put it on the top of the screen because it would interfere with the aforementioned File/Edit/View menu.

--> In NEITHER OS is it possible to reposition the File/Edit/View menu.


You are right. I think the confusion arises because this Menu bar at the top mixes up the File/Edit/View menu to the left and the bluetooth and WiFi icons to the right. When you minimize all windows, what does this top bar show? How do you access the WiFi icon if all windows are minimized and this top bar is disappeared? Sorry, the last time I used a macOS was in 2017.

(Also, to the extreme left of this Menu bar is the Apple icon which can be used to access the "System Preferences". I guess this mixing of system-wide and program-specific menu options doesn't bother macOS folks.)


The key distinction here is that the MacOS menu bar isn't part of any Window, so it never disappears. Under MacOS, SOME application ALWAYS has focus, and whatever has focus shows its menu options there between the Apple menu and the right-hand icons (see below).

This is different from Windows. On a Mac, if you quit all your apps entirely, then the only remaining application is Finder, which has no real equivalent under Windows and cannot really be quit (you can restart it, tho, which is sometimes required).

Finder is how you navigate to files, but it's also the "shell" that controls how you interact with the computer -- it gives you the Dock, the menus, etc.

The area to the right, as you correctly surmise, is more analogous to the System Tray area on the right side of the Taskbar under Windows. That side doesn't change with app focus.

The Apple menu is always there, yes.

As for your final snide note, no, we're not bothered, because it's not something to be bothered by (besides, the same supposed "issue" exists in the System Tray on Windows, where background app and system level options often coexist).

Honestly, I think this thread probably MOSTLY shows that people who aren't terribly familiar with an OS should avoid making negative statements about it.




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