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I can't believe I have to argue that there is a difference between always tracking everything by default and only turning on tracking once a warrant arrives.

In one case, you track everything.

In the other case, you don't track everything. But you have the ability to turn on logging when required (like, for example, with a warrant).

>As if they can't give data created before a court order

This is surprisingly simple. You just don't track the data until you have to because of a warrant. Then you say "Sorry, I don't have data before your warrant arrived because we do not track it".




https://protonmail.com/security-details

They literally claim they're "unable" to give data to 3rd parties.

Another claim is that they have secure features for activists and journalists.

The trust is broken...


This entire comment chain started because you said

>For the record, I have no issue with Protonmail

And I called that out because it was obviously untrue based on the rest of your comment. Now you say

>The trust is broken...

Which sort of proves my whole point to begin with.


It seems to me there are privacy knock-on effects. How long does the logging need to be on? If you turn on logging, does it turn on logging for all? (Seems likely yes) Therefore one warrant can put all other privacy-desiring users at risk...


>How long does the logging need to be on?

This would depend on the warrant.

>If you turn on logging, does it turn on logging for all? (Seems likely yes)

No, the warrant must have a specific (non-drag-net) scope. Broadly scoped warrants are fought to reduce the scope to something specific (reduced time-frame, reduced users, etc.). This is common, even with Google/FB. I'm not sure why you assume yes.

>Therefore one warrant can put all other privacy-desiring users at risk...

No, not really.




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