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> But is that a reason to ignore the things mentioned immediately prior

Its not ignoring! Its asking people to say what the actual problem is, beyond just that Amazon has people on a couple committees.

Have these committees done anything bad? Is amazon pushing for features that people don't like? Will some future bad thing happen because of this? What is the value statement here!

> Those are specific claims that can be assessed individually.

Ok, and the problem is that nobody is actually saying why some things are bad or not.

> that might get some attention.

I still don't know why it should get attention though. So they don't have an executive director? Why should anyone care?

You keep trying to say things, without saying why anyone should care about this stuff, or why it is bad.

I could make a dozen different guesses as to why you, or others, think there is a problem. But I shouldn't have to do that.

It is on you, to both say what is happening, as well as for you to say why it is bad, and what the concern is.




> Its not ignoring!

Look a the comment I originally responded to. They complained that two out of three items had no substance, therefore we can't have a serious conversation. That is, specifically, what I was addressing.

> I still don't know why it should get attention though. So they don't have an executive director? Why should anyone care?

> You keep trying to say things, without saying why anyone should care about this stuff, or why it is bad.

It's specifically stated in the tweet. Not having an executive director leaves the chair with more power. Amazon is the chair. Amazon has chosen to let the position go unfilled which results in their own position having more power.

He goes into more detail here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28513656

Actually asking questions about that, like you are here, is the outcome I was calling for, as opposed to ignoring it because of other statements, as the original comment I replied to was.

> It is on you, to both say what is happening, as well as for you to say why it is bad, and what the concern is.

No, you're placing me as someone on the one side of the argument, when the side is irrelevant. My point was that ignoring everything said because of portions that don't add up is not a valid way to assess the information. That doesn't require me to take a side, and in fact taking a side just makes it easier to people to dismiss my point and assume my goal is something else, as I suspect you did.


> in fact taking a side just makes it easier to people to dismiss my point

The problem is that, it is pretty clear, that based on how many people have agree with me, that this guy was unclear.

There was obviously a lot of confusion here. And that is a valid criticism of this person.

> My point was that ignoring everything said

The fact that so many people are confused about what the guy is saying, is on him.

He should have communicated better. And no, it is not everyone else's fault, that basically everyone misunderstood his point.

> He goes into more detail here

Well maybe he should have done a better job of communicating his ideas, from the very beginning. That's on him.

The fact that he was so bad at saying what the problem was, and why we should care, from the very beginning, is a valid problem.

> is not a valid way to assess the information.

No, it is not on the public to have to cross reference hacker news posts, with tweets, with blogs posts, to figure out why we should care.

That is the job of the communicator. And if you communicate it poorly, then that is your failing.


You continue to ignore the point I'm making and the context I made it in, in what appears to be an effort to push your own agenda. You can feel free to to that, but I don't see a reason to continue my part in this conversation when it feels like you're not attempting to actually engage with me.

If you care about why I think it's not worth continuing, and why I've come to this conclusion, I suggest you attempt to re-read what I wrote previously with a more open mind and instead of trying to drag it back into the specific argument. In any case, have a good evening.


Dude, even in the post that you linked, where you claim that he "goes into more detail", he is missing the main value judgement punchline.

The summary of that statement is "During that time, the chair of the board has more power than they usually would, and Amazon is chair of the board."

But once again, he is refusing to give the actual, moral punchline here.

If he wanted to convince people, he could explain all the dastardly things that he believes the board could do now. But he doesn't do that. All he says, is another statement that is devoid of moral argument, which is that "amazon is chair of the board" and that the board has more power.

The way to actually make an argument, is to not simply state facts. Instead you should say why people should care about these facts, and describe the actual material harm.

> , but I don't see a reason to continue my part in this conversation

Yes, I get it. When someone brings up the fact that basically everyone is pretty confused about the situation, and brings up how poorly this guy communicated, you have no response, and just want to assert you that you disagree, without backing it up.




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