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>Thinking that you need everyone to get a vaccine to live a normal life is a strange bar.

I don't understand what that means.

What happened to thinking of other people?

When I think of getting a vaccine... I just do it as a part of normal life. It doesn't change my life at all, outside of added immunity.




> When I think of getting a vaccine... I just do it as a part of normal life

That's exactly my point. You aren't thinking, you're just following.

> What happened to thinking of other people?

My point as well. It's the same "think of the children" argument that was being discussed above.

That itself is not a reason. People have immunity. The curve is flattened, the goal posts have been moved out of the stadium.


What does any of that mean?

You're talking about "aren't thinking" but most of your posts just involve nebulous throw away phrases like "People have immunity"... clearly you know that phrase doesn't mean anything right?

In the meantime we can all see for ourselves actual impact, real things, in areas where vaccination rates are low. These aren't nebulous concepts like your phrases, they're real.


Real things? Please point to the real things.

Case numbers! Case numbers! Hospital rates are NEARLY at capacity!!!!

Yeah that has been said over and over. Things are fine.

Go outside of the city, noone respects this stuff and hasn't the whole time, noone is dying more than usual.

Worry about cars and obesity if you want to make a difference.


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just because rural folks don’t care the hospital is full doesn’t mean the hospital isn’t full


Not at all what I said. The hospital isn't full. Show me a single hospital that is OVER or AT capacity.

All the fear mongering articles say is the ICU is at 90%~

They are always around that number. Show me the percentage of covid patients in that ICU. Show me the normal number of the ICU.

Worry about obesity if you want to stop the number one and two killers of humans and relieve our healthcare system.


Can you just go to r/nursing and read the 100x stories of nurses saying "I'm actually not an ICU nurse but my floor has been converted to an ICU floor" or "We have 4 nurses for 30 covid patients and I want to scream"?


Anecdotes on Reddit. Great source.

Don't believe anything you read on Reddit, especially anecdotes.


Maybe go to your local hospital and ask then among their own nursing social circles? They're the people who would have first-hand understanding of how full the ICUs are.

I'm not saying I believe everything I read on Reddit, but I know r/nursing is a longtime subreddit of mostly medical people and has a history of being as such for a long time. If I wanted to know what the actual medical field is dealing with day to day, I think a community with a history of being where healthcare people talk about what they're dealing with day to day is a pretty good bet.


I have been to the hospital 3 times already and it's fine. My sister is a nurse and she hasn't had a covid patient in over a month.

I guess Reddit only gets one type of anecdote. I doubt the other side gets voted up and probably even removed.


Are you saying "Case numbers! Case numbers! Hospital rates are NEARLY at capacity!!!!" isn't real?


> The curve is flattened, the goal posts have been moved out of the stadium.

How are you quantifying that? The original intent of flattening the curve was to avoid overwhelming the healthcare system and here we are... overwhelming the healthcare system(s) again. A quick check of capacity of ICU beds in the SE USA shows that on average, hospitals are running 92% capacity(1). Obviously you want right-sized ICU capacity, but I doubt 92% is a comfortable margin.

(1)https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-hospitals-...


You would need to know the normal margin and the % that covid patients are taking for that to be significant.




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