That's fine. An uneducated guy bringing on other uneducated guys that talk about something as if they're experts. Joe is an "average dude" who loves his disinformation and nodding his head to whatever BS someone says. People like words, personalities, hand waving. That's not where truth comes from. Truth is a hard fought battle that doesn't come to you in a podcast. It comes in written words, proofs, and is filled with uncertainty. Actual experts dont give black and white answers, they provide the information and context. People don't like that because it's complicated.
