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[flagged] Paris to Berlin in an hour: Welcome to the future of high-speed rail travel (euronews.com)
8 points by rbanffy on Aug 13, 2021 | hide | past | favorite | 12 comments


Hyperloop doesn't work, there's nothing demonstrable coming out of any of the prototypes, and the trade-offs of maintaining the semi-vacuum over great distances isn't worth the cost vs an open air train track. It's pure fantasy at this stage.

The main reasons people choose airplanes over trains is:

A) Cost

B) Time

Journeys like london->edinburgh are already equivalent to flying times in real world conditions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6MGpvuCKD8

So why don't people take the train for these distances? Cost. The easy solution is to tax flights and use the taxes to offset railway prices.

The existing rail networks are there today and deploying 400kmph trains is possible using existing, safe technology. This would mean paris->berlin in 2.5 hours which solves the time problem for even larger distances


2.5 hrs with no stops in between, I guess?


I found this article pretty disappointing.

> there is a long way to go in encouraging passengers and freight off aircraft and into train stations

75% of intra-EU freight is by road, and the proportion of intra-EU air freight is already dropping. [1]

> What’s more, unlike the aviation sector, rail passenger rights in the EU leave international travellers liable for missed connections and cancellations if they have to book tickets with multiple operators.

If you book air travel with multiple operators and miss your connection, that's tough luck, too. If I fly Air France from Lyon to Paris and then have a RyanAir ticket booked to London that I miss because the first flight was late, that's on me, not Air France.

> Paris to Berlin in an hour: Welcome to the future of high-speed rail travel in Europe

According to the article this future - at best - is decades away...and it relies on completely rethinking and rebuilding the transport infrastructure of a continent.

I love living in Europe and I love the convenience that the TGV and high speed rail networks offer compared to air travel. But this article is all about a future that is not at all guaranteed to emerge.

1: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...


Can we collectively agree hyperloop is a vapourware. It doesn't scale. Its too expensive, too dangerous and requires super-materials we don't have. It needs a straight tracks a near impossible scenario in densely populated eu.

Just stop with it already. Might as well talk about pocket wormholes as means of transportation.


Policy makers love it. Here in NL ( ~ 17M population ) we have a subsidized hyperloop trial.

It is green. It goes fast. It is amazing. Too good to be true even.


How do people justify Hyperloop as a particularly green option when my initial thought would be that it uses a similar amount of energy as a normal train - which we already have as a popular option? Or is the energy cost of maintaining the vacuum & associated processes far less than energy cost of air resistance for a normal train?

My presumption is that the vacuum matter is no trivial undertaking considering the proposals in this article for extremely long tubes all the way across Europe. Not trying to be snarky - I'm not that familiar with the details of Hyperloop and genuinely intrigued by how one would create so much vacuum!


not to mention a moron with a truck can sabotage it catastrophically by merely piercing a wall.

I recommend watching Train Derailment & Sabotage - 1944 - Charlie Dean Archives / Archival Footage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agznZBiK_Bs

Its a difficult task to derail a train. Its actually a logistical feat trying to derail it.

edit: [auto-correction fix]


In France the thing would be vandalized before it even starts trial by angry union train workers worried of losing their coal subsidy so...


Why would I spend an hour each way on any train to go to a meeting when I can do it remote without even having to put on pants?


Okay I'm late to the party and the thing is flagged, but why does everyone assume Hyperloop == materials we don't have, magnetic hover and all that ? The hyperloop white paper have none of that and is way simpler ?


History says more like Berlin to Paris


TLDR; Hyperloop fantasy piece.




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