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That was the exact moment I decided I would never buy a Tesla despite wanting one.


The good news is that the Tesla is far from your only option for an electric car at this point.


Pretty much thanks to Tesla.

Electric cars wouldn't be anywhere near where they are today without him - whatever we may think of his personality, the advancements in tech and environmental impacts for generations to come are real.


Perhaps, perhaps not. The market innovation of Tesla--selling electric vehicles based on sportiness and performance rather than eco-friendliness--pre-dates musk's involvement with the company.


The need for a certain portion of the internet to defend Musk at all times is absolutely weird.


Yin and Yang.

The defenders come out of the woodwork at approximately the same moment the attackers do.


Why tho? Musk calls someone a pedophile for petty reasons, he gets called out for it and his defenders respond by saying he is the reason the electric car market exist. It's absolutely bizarre.


Well the top comment about a story Musk played little part in was about Musk when I first replied. You could ask the same question of the criticizers.


So your argument is people only defend Musk when he is criticized? When else would they be able to defend him?


No, I'm merely pointing out that

> The need for a certain portion of the internet to defend Musk at all times is absolutely weird.

is no weirder than the certain portion of the internet that needs to criticize Musk at all times. In fact, the people that feel the need to interject criticisms of Musk into conversations that aren't really about him clearly have Musk living rent-free in their heads to a greater degree than the defenders do.


not only does this article mention Musk and his useless sub but its about the life Musk tried to ruin. How is it weird to bring up Musk and how he tried to ruin this hero's life?


Yes and no.

Tesla did innovate, but frankly not as much as many people want to give them credit for. And a lot of the innovation happened before Musk even joined, at least when it comes to basic EV tech, not talking about AutoPilot or whatever.

Their real achievement was creating a market and interest. This new consumer and investor interest was also in large part to Musk throwing his ego around in public. A lot of other car makers had models in late stage development phases too, but didn't really see enough interest and a market need to bring those models forward to reach production. They were fat and happy, selling their fossil fuel models.


Your part about generating real interest in EVs is exactly what I had in mind when I wrote my reply. I have been following EVs for a couple of decades now; the way especially the Tesla Model S was launched was a breakthrough in shaping the perception of electric cars as something entirely different, and desirable.

There were a number of years when a Tesla was the only good EV you could buy, and they forced the entire industry to take note and actually develop their own programs. (Fast forward to today, and it's sometimes pure comedy to see latecomers such as Mazda's first attempt being a complete "what?" with their first EV having under half the range of and being more expensive than a Model 3.)

Sure, someone else could eventually have gotten there, but Musk and Tesla were the ones who did it - and I believe with a rather significant margin of time.

There's a long list of things I don't like about personalities and design choices, but I feel it's ok to keep that separate from the above.

(I don't own an EV. Still saving and waiting for the right time to upgrade from a 10 year old Subaru Outback ICEV bought new then.)


Do you have any info on what is actually new in Teslas? The only hard problem of electric vehicles is the battery - which is third party in Teslas. So what exactly is novel there?


"The only hard problem of electric vehicles is the battery - which is third party in Teslas".

No the entire system efficiency is whats hard and is why Tesla is way in front of the competition with regards to performance and range. Batteries have so far been a commodity - 18500 & 21700s, its only now that Tesla is starting to focus on that part of the system in reference to Battery Day.


If it wasn't Tesla someone else would, most likely Rimac.


That is absolutely not true.




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