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DIY Weapons of the Libyan Rebels (theatlantic.com)
207 points by MatrixBai on June 15, 2011 | hide | past | favorite | 49 comments



The Toyota Hilux - one amazing pickup truck. It still makes me laugh a bit to see all of the various uses people find for that vehicle and all of the ridiculous situations[1] it finds itself in. Hell, it even has a war named after it.[2]

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Hilux#Reputation [2]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_War


Top Gear had an excellent several-part episode which illustrated just how ridiculously well built these things are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnWKz7Cthkk


See also the Top Gear "review": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnWKz7Cthkk



Interesting article -- somewhat less "DIY" than "salvaged", but still interesting.

Also interesting how, all other politics aside, we're not likely to see such an article detailing the improvised weapons of Iraqi Rebels.


Related: http://www.newsweek.com/2010/10/14/why-rebel-groups-love-the...

Although that article is in reference Afganistan mainly, it's interesting to see how prevelent the Toyota trucks are for the rebels here as well.


I have similar pictures in albums from my childhood.

Same look of mad scientist engineering delight, damn lucky to be born in America where instead of machining artillery ammo I'm building forts, water balloon launchers, and other weapons of low destruction.


I was puzzled that the UB-32 rocket launchers have English instructions printed on them instead of Arabic. The CIA World Factbook does say that Arabic, Italian, and English are all understood in the major cities. Still surprising.


I was surprised by that too. I would have excepted Russian instructions instead of Arabic though. Maybe all (official) Russian exports have English text?


English is the new lingua-franca.


Hopefully they don't get too good at this. It's rare that a revolutionary army can lay down its weapons after the war. The French thought it would be fun to "liberate" the rest of Europe after their revolution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolutionary_Wars


The French Revolution was rather more ideological than this revolution looks. And besides, the French had been making a regular habit of rampaging through Europe at that point, so the revolution just let them do it more intelligently and enthusiastically.


well America did it pretty well


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Well after the American Revolution was finished, we stopped. There was the whiskey rebellion but it was a small affair. ie after the revolution we actually got something better and stable. only one civil war in +200 yeas not a bad record.


The native americans would object to your theory. I think the only difference was that America was plenty big and the people killed there didn't survive in significant enough numbers in America today so their view of the whole affair doesn't concern many people nowadays.


Bad time to give the peace sign when holding 8 rockets in your arms.

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/libyarebel061411/s...


When the person in picture #3 makes that sign, it is described as the "victory sign." I imagine that's what the guy holding the rockets meant, too.


Both the "peace" and "V for victory" signs have the palm facing forwards. That's a "fuck you" sign, at least where I'm from.

I'm not from Libya though.


From http://www.icons.org.uk/theicons/collection/the-v-sign/biogr...

"The Churchillian gesture

Winston Churchill took up the Victory campaign enthusiastically, and made a V sign with his fingers whenever a camera was pointed at him, his palm facing in both directions. This dismayed his private secretary, John Colville. In September 1941, Colville wrote in his diary, ''The PM will give the V-sign with two fingers in spite of representations repeatedly made to him that this gesture has quite another significance.''

Churchill was eventually persuaded to use only the palm forwards gesture."

There are images of Churchill using both gestures.

I don't think one can be entirely sure of the intention though general body language and facial expression usually will carry which meaning is intended.


It seems that there is a lot of left over ammo all over the place or are they creating their own ammo? At what point of do the Qaddafi forces run out of cash to keep funding this war.

Also, love all the Toyotas.


I think it is mostly captured, except for the moltov coctails and the refilled RPG that they showed. They did show that they were taking the time to get the rust off of ammunition. You probably wouldn't do that if you had means to produce it in quantity.


From the descriptions on the images, it seems like the rebels captured a lot of ammo from Libyan army warehouses and armories.



This is the makings for a hit show on Discovery channel or TLC


Seems like kind of an insensitive thing to say, given that there are people dying over there.


What's wrong with saying that? I'm just commenting that it's fascinating to see what they are coming up with. Obviously it's just an idea, but if there actually was a show or documentary or something, it would help them get there message out a lot more easily.


Information about the Libyan rebels has been on the frontpage of the news for weeks, I don't think a cable TV show is what they need right now. Their message is definitely out there, and it's being echoed by top US officials. Just a few days ago Hillary Clinton addressed the AU urging them to join in the call for Gaddafi to step down. While it is fascinating (and frightening) to see what these people are going through, I don't think a show on the Discovery Channel about how to refurbish and modify weapons seized from the military is an appropriate thing to talk about. If you want to talk about the journalists and the difficulties they face when trying to document events like these, that's fine.



Anybody know what type of rifle is pictured in #25? Is it some sort of strange P90 variant?



Interesting from a DIY point of view.

Also interesting that the battlespace is being prepared for boots on the ground intervention by - among other things - getting the home front in the mood for intervention by showing plucky rebels with home built ordnance.


#25 looks like a brand new F2000 from FN Herstal. Is there any similar report on Qaddafi's left over arsenal?


Gaddafi has a lot of money, and his army always came first. The equipment of his elite troops is the best money can buy.


Here's the Al Jazeera's video coverage of how the DIY weapons are made: http://english.aljazeera.net/video/africa/2011/06/2011614112...


Hopefully all this engineering ingenuity will be put to good use in peaceful times.


The first image, with the flag-painted rocket launcher, suggests morale is high.


That aircraft missile launcher mounted on that truck bed has to be terribly dangerous, either the back blast or recoil could easily roll that truck.


If they don't put a blast panel on the cab they could fry the occupants, it has happened before.


At least in all of the pictures, there are no occupants in the cab.


Not after the first time it was fired.


There is no recoil.


Well, there's a bit but its not like they're firing 120mm cannons from those things. And really, the US fires missiles from the backs of trucks all the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hmmwv-036.jpg


But different cases. The picture you linked (and many other cases) have low recoil because the missiles are equipped with a small jump motor to get the missile away from the launcher before the main motor launches. This is to reduce recoil, and the blast (you can fire from confined spaces safely).

The "lack" of recoil in the rockets in the pictures (as well as most rockets used as artillery) is because there is very little of the launcher impeding the rocket exhaust. Nothing in the way for the force to transfer onto the chassis.


That hummer also weighs in excess of 5000 pounds stock not including the missile system and is designed to have recoil less rockets fired from a top mounted turret. That Toyota truck weighs less, has a weaker chassis, and is in no way designed to have a non professional weld job mounted missile launcher designed for a hind gunship mounted in the bed. The Toyota truck only weighs about 3000 pounds, firing that system on the slightest of inclines would literally roll the truck over.


There is no recoil from a tube-launched rocket. These have no jump-charge, as they were not designed to be operated with humans in range, so it's pure rocket propulsion from the start.


It's like the A-team for real.


nice free intel work done for the Libyan government this very detailed gallery of the Rebel's arsenal.


I'm sure this is information they already had. If anything, it makes them look more organized.




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