> The creator/developers of an open source project usually has a far better understanding of the bugs, missing features, etc of their project. They've spent months to years thinking about it.
This is a bizarre point of view. The maintainer has only spent time thinking about it from the point of view of their lone preferences and opinion. Users come from all walks of life and are in the weeds with many use cases or blocking issues or bugs that the maintainer would never realize or think of if it weren’t for the free effort gifted by users reporting bugs and requesting features. It’s far more bizarre for you to assert maintainers are in the best position to judge over and above users.
> Maybe there's a 1/3000 issue where a user gives thoughtful and meaningful insight into a new feature the project could have which the maintainer hasn't thought of, but the vast majority of issues are not that. The vast majority are users who don't understand the technical tradeoffs of the project, don't understand the maintainer's goals, etc.
This is exactly backwards.
> Again, if a user has a good idea for the project, the user should fork it and implement it. If the user can't, then they shouldn't be asking the maintainer to.
No they should lobby the maintainer to prioritize it for the existing project. Forking and doing it themselves should be an extremely uncommon fallback or hobbyist special interest, not at all a default.
> Projects don't have to be open source because someone wants bug reports from users who have no clue what they're talking about.
> In fact, if you listen to maintainers, the vast majority don't want that crap.
You seem to have some mix of a superiority complex / poor attitude towards users of OSS. It sounds extremely obvious that you aren’t suited to be a FOSS maintainer if you harbor these biases against users. Have you considered taking your projects down? It might be a benefit for all parties to not have to experience this anger / belittlement issue from you.
> Just because the author of the project does want people who find the project useful as-is to use it doesn't mean that they're inviting people who have issues with it to use it and complain.
Nope, the internet doesn’t work that way. If you want to post your software project for passive consumption, people absolutely have every right to complain about it. You don’t have to listen but they absolutely have full justification to provide their take on the thing you published.
> That seems to be your big disconnect. Users are entitled to nothing more than the existing code given to them in an OSS project unless the author explicitly adds additional expectations (such as having a contributing.md asking for issues or having a bug report button in the project or something).
It has nothing to do with being “entitled” to anything, for either party (users or maintainers). And this doesn’t matter if the maintainer is RHEL or some random guy that can spend max one hour a month on a project.
> I have to ask, have you maintained many open source projects? Have you seen things from both sides of the fence? What interactions have led you to have this viewpoint?
Given the vitriol in your comments and especially the really abusive language you use to sweep the entire class of FOSS users under an umbrella of being completely stupid and dimwitted compared to maintainers, I do not for one second believe you genuinely want to engage in discussion or debate whatsoever. If I shared my own personal experiences managing FOSS projects for two past employers, I think you will just find excuses to unfairly dismiss it, make sniping replies and take various pieces out of context as you have so far.
I agree we probably won't get anywhere constructive and your decision is respectable. However, I disagree that you are being interpreted negatively. You are being negative - it's not an interpretation, it is just the unquestionable property of your communication and the substance of your comments, especially insulting towards users of FOSS projects. There's no matter of interpretation, it just is negative.
Likewise, I don't believe I am speaking negatively or uncharitably at all. I think I have responded in good faith and with due self-reflection and that my comments are fair reflections of what you are communicating. Looking back, I don't see anything I'd change or any place where I wasn't engaging with polite, good faith responses to your negative comments.
This is a bizarre point of view. The maintainer has only spent time thinking about it from the point of view of their lone preferences and opinion. Users come from all walks of life and are in the weeds with many use cases or blocking issues or bugs that the maintainer would never realize or think of if it weren’t for the free effort gifted by users reporting bugs and requesting features. It’s far more bizarre for you to assert maintainers are in the best position to judge over and above users.
> Maybe there's a 1/3000 issue where a user gives thoughtful and meaningful insight into a new feature the project could have which the maintainer hasn't thought of, but the vast majority of issues are not that. The vast majority are users who don't understand the technical tradeoffs of the project, don't understand the maintainer's goals, etc.
This is exactly backwards.
> Again, if a user has a good idea for the project, the user should fork it and implement it. If the user can't, then they shouldn't be asking the maintainer to.
No they should lobby the maintainer to prioritize it for the existing project. Forking and doing it themselves should be an extremely uncommon fallback or hobbyist special interest, not at all a default.
> Projects don't have to be open source because someone wants bug reports from users who have no clue what they're talking about.
> In fact, if you listen to maintainers, the vast majority don't want that crap.
You seem to have some mix of a superiority complex / poor attitude towards users of OSS. It sounds extremely obvious that you aren’t suited to be a FOSS maintainer if you harbor these biases against users. Have you considered taking your projects down? It might be a benefit for all parties to not have to experience this anger / belittlement issue from you.
> Just because the author of the project does want people who find the project useful as-is to use it doesn't mean that they're inviting people who have issues with it to use it and complain.
Nope, the internet doesn’t work that way. If you want to post your software project for passive consumption, people absolutely have every right to complain about it. You don’t have to listen but they absolutely have full justification to provide their take on the thing you published.
> That seems to be your big disconnect. Users are entitled to nothing more than the existing code given to them in an OSS project unless the author explicitly adds additional expectations (such as having a contributing.md asking for issues or having a bug report button in the project or something).
It has nothing to do with being “entitled” to anything, for either party (users or maintainers). And this doesn’t matter if the maintainer is RHEL or some random guy that can spend max one hour a month on a project.
> I have to ask, have you maintained many open source projects? Have you seen things from both sides of the fence? What interactions have led you to have this viewpoint?
Given the vitriol in your comments and especially the really abusive language you use to sweep the entire class of FOSS users under an umbrella of being completely stupid and dimwitted compared to maintainers, I do not for one second believe you genuinely want to engage in discussion or debate whatsoever. If I shared my own personal experiences managing FOSS projects for two past employers, I think you will just find excuses to unfairly dismiss it, make sniping replies and take various pieces out of context as you have so far.