It seem you're trying to avoid telling me what you value. If you don't value democracy, reason, liberty and equality, then what do you value?
I listed a lot of known alternatives, you could value ultranationalism with strict traditional societal and economic rule like fascists do, or you could value white supremacy and rule over other races like nazis, or you could value biblical rule of Christian interpretation like theocrats, etc.
Now you seem to say, no it's none of the many alternatives I listed, okay, but what is it?
And yes, I actually can't imagine what else you could be than one of the many non-liberal alternative I listed.
> You simply cannot imagine that someone could be a non-liberal without being evil
That's because it is hard for me to think that someone who doesn't value democracy, doesn't value reason, doesn't value liberty, doesn't value equality, will be willing to accept that I live my life as I please, with a fair chance at opportunity, riches, power, and happyness. So it seems anyone without those value will be trying to have authority and rule over me one way or another, and not with my best interest at heart. It seems natural to consider evil someone whose likely to do you wrong.
> By conservative here i meant really anyone who is not 100% onboard with democratic party doctrine, which is enough to be ostracized in SV today
So by conservative, you mean a republican voter? Why not say republican party voter or something super clear and unambiguous then? Why does the article say "conservative" ? Is it not because republican are conservative? And now I'm back at my original confusion, what kind of conservative is the republican party? Liberal conservative? Or anti-liberal?
I find the narrative against liberalism dangerous. Liberalism is what the western democracies, including the US are based on, and it's what made them prosper and a great place to live. So am I suppose to believe there is a strong anti-liberal movement in the US? Pushing for a return to nazism, facism, monarchies, theocracies, oligarchies, feudalism, etc. ? If not, it only takes people to say, hey woa, hold on, you got.it all wrong, we're full on liberal, just conservative as in my second definition above. But the fact that even when I ask people don't say that, but seem to circle around and evade the question, makes me feel it might be the former.
I'm trying to have a discourse right here in the open, but you keep evading the topic and burrying your head in the sand.
I've been very transparent and upfront. I value democracy, reason, liberty and equality above all else. I have good reasons to do so, one of which is that its proved itself historically to create some of the most peaceful and prosperous societies. But I also have phylosophical reasons for it, such as believing that individually we're better off working collaboratively on equal footing with others, than in a constant battle of the fittest for supremacy. And as I brought up the individual, I believe that individual rights are very important to stability, and should be respected even against a majority, for the betterment of each individual and society as a whole.
I don't believe anyone is of lesser worth and value than me, that would go against liberal values to do so. It's quite the contrary in fact, I'm strongly against anyone who'd try to suggest A is lesser than B narratives, or A is more deserving than B narratives.
Now being against someone doesn't mean I believe they are lesser, but simply that they are a liability to what I value, thus a risk towards democracy, reason, liberty and equality. And I am prepared to hope to change their minds, or go to war for it, if it came to that. It would be quite unamerican not too:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" - United States Declaration of Independence
Edit: And just so there's no misunderstanding, I'm not talking about democrats or republicans. I'm talking about liberalism and democracy. I don't have any issue with any political party who'd simply disagree on how best to uphold liberalism and democracy in practice. But I will have issue with one who tries to destroy democracy, take away my liberty, increase inequality, and employ illogical and irrational justifications and strategies. And I'm not saying the republican party is trying to do so, but it's never been less clear to me if they are or not then now.
I listed a lot of known alternatives, you could value ultranationalism with strict traditional societal and economic rule like fascists do, or you could value white supremacy and rule over other races like nazis, or you could value biblical rule of Christian interpretation like theocrats, etc.
Now you seem to say, no it's none of the many alternatives I listed, okay, but what is it?
And yes, I actually can't imagine what else you could be than one of the many non-liberal alternative I listed.
> You simply cannot imagine that someone could be a non-liberal without being evil
That's because it is hard for me to think that someone who doesn't value democracy, doesn't value reason, doesn't value liberty, doesn't value equality, will be willing to accept that I live my life as I please, with a fair chance at opportunity, riches, power, and happyness. So it seems anyone without those value will be trying to have authority and rule over me one way or another, and not with my best interest at heart. It seems natural to consider evil someone whose likely to do you wrong.
> By conservative here i meant really anyone who is not 100% onboard with democratic party doctrine, which is enough to be ostracized in SV today
So by conservative, you mean a republican voter? Why not say republican party voter or something super clear and unambiguous then? Why does the article say "conservative" ? Is it not because republican are conservative? And now I'm back at my original confusion, what kind of conservative is the republican party? Liberal conservative? Or anti-liberal?
I find the narrative against liberalism dangerous. Liberalism is what the western democracies, including the US are based on, and it's what made them prosper and a great place to live. So am I suppose to believe there is a strong anti-liberal movement in the US? Pushing for a return to nazism, facism, monarchies, theocracies, oligarchies, feudalism, etc. ? If not, it only takes people to say, hey woa, hold on, you got.it all wrong, we're full on liberal, just conservative as in my second definition above. But the fact that even when I ask people don't say that, but seem to circle around and evade the question, makes me feel it might be the former.