"the potential for harm reduction for adult smokers while combating underage use."
<<insert photo of all the yummy flavors available>>
If their mandate was really harm reduction they could do that with a "plain" flavor; that's how we stop the kids in my house from eating all the yogurt.
Adults like yummy flavors too. This “flavored products are for kids” is utter nonsense, designed to vilify a new entrant and distract from the continued functioning of the tobacco industry. Smoking kills half its users.
It is one of the great tragedies of our time that tobacco companies got vaping lumped in with smoking and its harms, when it is at least two orders of magnitude safer.
"The memo accused Juul of knowingly marketing products to teens by holding programs at schools and camps and recruiting teens as "Juul influencers.""
"The hearing's testimony included claims that a Juul representative once visited a high-school classroom and told students that Juul e-cigarettes were "totally safe," according to a memo from congressional investigators."
That doesn’t explain why cities like SF have banned all flavored vapes. Not just juul brand. It clearly is the flavors that people are taking issue with, this marketing thing is just a footnote. So much so that I almost never even hear this incident referenced.
SF doesn't need to ban flavored cigarettes because the federal government already has. SF banned flavored vapes because the federal government hasn't (yet.)
"plain" flavor vape cartridges would not have gotten me to quit smoking.
Fruity mango flavor did. The idea that only children find flavors appealing is asinine, and you should feel shame for participating in a moral panic that is leading directly to cancer and death.
What I, a consenting adult, choose to do for recreation and stress relief, is none of your goddamn business, and I suggest you butt out of it.
I have to admit that I felt a visceral anger reading parent's comment as well. I quit smoking via e-cigarettes and via Tooti Frooti, Tiger's Blood, Fruit Loops and a dozen other "tasty" flavors.
A parallel could be made to childhood obesity. Yes, soft drinks contribute, but with parent's logic, all flavored soft drinks should be made illegal in favor of, well, 'plain carbonated water' flavor. Yum! Won't somebody please think of the children!
To be completely objective, cigarettes are dangerous because the concoction of chemicals that generate the smoke lead to lung cancer.
Vaping mostly just gives you the Nicotine hit, which doesn’t have the same dangers as tobacco smoke. Of all the vices I ever picked up, vaping has the smallest footprint in terms of character change while consuming it, and long term health consequences.
We probably need more studies on standard Nicotine consumption, as it may be in the same class as caffeine dependency:
When some (alleged) offense is committed, intent matters. So the question is, when the company came up with those flavors and marketing, who did they have in mind? Do they have Powerpoints showing that middle-aged executives love them, or did they explicitly, knowingly target kids?
> If their mandate was really harm reduction they could do that with a "plain" flavor; that's how we stop the kids in my house from eating all the yogurt.
frankly I don't know whether the people at juul had malicious intentions wrt teenage vaping, but I really resent the line of argument that offering enjoyable flavors implies targeting children. this is actually one of the main things that makes vaping a viable substitute for me and many other people. if they only made plain vapes, I would probably just go back to smoking.
Why does yummy booze flavors in arms reach of your toddler in the gas station aisle get a free pass, but juul pods with a surgeon generals warning kept under lock and key behind the shop clerk are targeting children? I can't comprehend these mental gymnastics.
"the potential for harm reduction for adult smokers while combating underage use."
<<insert photo of all the yummy flavors available>>
If their mandate was really harm reduction they could do that with a "plain" flavor; that's how we stop the kids in my house from eating all the yogurt.