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"The United States has less than 5% of the world's population and 23.4% of the world's prison population."

Did you ever stop and think that if some of the other countries mentioned weren't so corrupt, they might also have a higher prison population? Our system is pretty, damn fair, even though once in awhile it fails and an innocent person goes to prison.

"The 2009 U.S. military budget accounts for approximately 40% of global arms spending and is over six times larger than the military budget of China. The United States and its close allies are responsible for two-thirds to three-quarters of the world's military spending (of which, in turn, the U.S. is responsible for the majority)."

The US has to babysit the world. I wish it wasn't the case, but most countries do not have their shit together.

"US's wealthy elites are a greater threat to the world than teachers unions and Venezuelans."

Teacher's unions directly threaten good education, which can lead to uneducated citizens and poverty. It's very difficult to get fired while you are in a teacher's union and there is no incentive to actually teach well. I've seen the same thing happen in the auto unions. It's like a mini example of why communism doesn't work (everybody is equal and since you not only get an automatic raise every year, and everybody in your department/position needs to get a raise if you do, it offers no reason to actually do better).

Capitalism isn't a bad thing. It's provided the best standard of living the world has ever seen. There may be some problems with it, but we shouldn't discount it as a whole.

I don't know how you can say the US is against the environment. If you mean global warming, then yes. Global warming isn't a religion. I need more evidence than what we have (which is based on falsified data) to prove that it's man-made. It's also become such a politicized issue, that if you are a scientist and go against it, you can lose funding from the government and respect from your peers. Nobody scientist would want to do this.



You might want to compare incarceration levels in the US with other not-particularly-corrupt countries:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration


Compare us to the UK, but compare like for like. Most of our prison population is comprised of high crime groups who do not exist to any significant degree (35% of the US, 2.6% of the UK) in the UK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_St...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdo...

That said, our prison population is still large even after accounting for this, just not as large as the naive statistics make out.


majority of the prison population in the US comprise only 2.4% of the UK.

I'll point out another statistic which doesn't look good for our incarceration rates, regardless of the racial demographic argument you're making:

Half of all persons incarcerated under state jurisdiction are for non-violent offenses, and 20% are incarcerated for drug offenses, in State prisons. Federal prison percentages are higher.


Teachers unions haven't seem to hurt Finland (#1 in education), and auto unions haven't seem to hurt Germany. Theirs are much stronger than our respective unions.


Rather than selecting an outlier [1], lets compare two typical US states: Texas and Wisconsin.

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2011/03/longhorns-17-ba...

It seems the non-unionized teachers in Texas do considerably better than the unionized teachers in Wisconsin, particularly for minorities.

[1] At least, according to this graph: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-EMpadQx4hM/TRKVzaSdWnI/AAAAAAAAAY... You could also compare the relatively non-unionized US to more highly unionized Europe.


The point is that you can easily have a functional education system with strong teachers unions. Canada, Europe, most of the western world functions this way. To say that our education woes are due to teachers unions is short-sighted at best.

The issue with education in this country is in it's structure, funding, allocation, and methodology. Unions are a scapegoat for a larger philosophical failure in our approach to education. If people really cared about education in this country, they would look hard at how Finland moved away from the industrial model and towards one much more suited to an information economy.


What educational woes? Our education system is top notch.

http://super-economy.blogspot.com/2010/12/amazing-truth-abou...

The issue is cost, not effectiveness. Do you disagree that unions are increasing costs?

http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/10facts/edlite-chart.h...

As for Finland, their system only seems to work well for Finnish people. The gap in PISA scores between natives and immigrants (Gen 1 and 2, I believe) is almost 50 pts, vs about 20 in the US. This might work for Finland, with relatively few immigrants, but it wouldn't fly in a country like the US.

(For comparison, the demographically corrected PISA gap between the US and Sweden is 19 pts in favor of the US.)


I'm not interested in "correcting" for demographics. You can't simply remove 25% of the population because you find statistics inconvenient.


Hypothetical: if teacher A has a class of poor black students, and teacher B has a class of rich asian students, shall we directly compare test scores? If teacher A's students perform 1 stddev worse than teacher B's, shall we fire teacher A for poor performance?

If you don't want to do it for teachers, why do it for educational systems?


I prefer not to reduce complex, intersecting systems to oversimplified hypotheticals.


Huh? You want to ignore all factors relevant to the question except one (school quality), I try to introduce a second factor, and I'm oversimplifying?

Please go look up the definition of "simple".


I'm sure that's how you see it, but the fact is, that the OP posited the idea that unions were incompatible with a healthy education system. There are simply too many counter-examples to that.

Further, you've pushed the conversation into a discussion about race and class by way of an abstract hypothetical. From your posting history, I'm not really interested in having such a complex discussion with you.


> Our system is pretty, damn fair, even though once in awhile it fails and an innocent person goes to prison.

From Wikipedia, in Illinois, 12 men had been executed since 1977. During that same period, 13 men were freed from death row i.e. greater than 50% of the convicts facing the maximum possible penalty were actually found innocent.

Also, from http://deadlinethemovie.com/state/IL/index.php

Was anyone on Death Row ever found innocent in my state? There have been a total 18 innocent people exonerated on Death Row in Illinois. Perry Cobb was released in 1987...

So, now you have an idea about the rigorous standards of evidence employed before handing out the death penalty. This should give you an idea about how many innocent people are convicted every day for lesser crimes.

And to see the mechanics of how so many innocent people get convicted, check this

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270230402380457556...

A large percentage of convicts in prison are from drug related crimes. For information from Lancet - "Drug harms in the UK: a multicriteria decision analysis" regarding harmfulness of drugs

http://i.imgur.com/CkiiZ.png

> The US has to babysit the world. I wish it wasn't the case, but most countries do not have their shit together.

I don't want to even bother refuting this, but the US is an economic entity that seeks to maximize its economic advantage, not a baby-sitter. It pretends to baby-sit by force but that isn't how baby-sitting works, most baby-sitters don't have a fire-arms license.

> I need more evidence than what we have (which is based on falsified data) to prove that it's man-made.

There is enough evidence, even when after eliminating whatever falsified data that had crept in. We are interfering with the Carbon-cycle and it will lead to more CO2 which will have a warming effect. You can sit around waiting for more evidence and when warming happens you can blame it on Sun spots or whatever, Are you also waiting on more evidence for heisenberg's uncertainty principle?


"most baby-sitters don't have a fire-arms license."

I didn't mean this literally. The US needs to use force because other countries either don't have the ability or refuse.

"I don't want to even bother refuting this, but the US is an economic entity that seeks to maximize its economic advantage, not a baby-sitter"

What country isn't trying to maximize its economic advantage?

"You can sit around waiting for more evidence and when warming happens you can blame it on Sun spots or whatever, Are you also waiting on more evidence for heisenberg's uncertainty principle?"

Can I use this argument for anything I don't agree with. I'm asking for evidence and you are telling me that I shouldn't be sitting around and waiting for it. I'm also not blaming it on sunspots, I'm basing it on real evidence.

Since the subject has been so politicized, and supporting it means billions of dollars in funding (or lack there of), I question any scientist that is involved in it. Especially when we have zealous believers saying that anyone that questions it (even when there is evidence to the contrary) is a moron.

When you take things like carbon credits and forced government taxes out of it, I might start to stop questioning motives. It's also funny that a guy like Al Gore, who is essentially passing carbon credit laws that will put money directly in his pockets, is lauded as a hero and a genius.

"A large percentage of convicts in prison are from drug related crimes."

If you smoked meth and then murdered a family, does that count as a "drug-related crime". You seem to be implying that people that are just smoking a joint are filling our prison systems, when those people make up a very small percentage.




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