people like you are going to get our children and grandchildren enslaved.
We should be smart about quarantining but we should always maintain a sense of skepticism and rebelliousness toward government.
My country, 'tis of thee,
Sweet land of liberty,
Of thee I sing;
Land where my fathers died,
Land of the pilgrims' pride,
From ev'ry mountainside
Let freedom ring!
A generalization about a group of people affecting another group of people is ad hominem?
OP was condoning and calling for explicitly dangerous behavior. People whose attitude is similar to that absolutely will get infected, be asymptomatic for around a week and in turn infect many, many more.
No, op was calling for disobedience to make some civics point. The case could be made that you should go out because you don't believe the disease is as bad as stated, or that you should stay home because it is. The case op made was "you should go out becase @/^$ the police, this is America, I can do what I want" which is of zero value, contributes nothing to the discourse and potentially harms both sides.
> The case could be made that you should go out because you don't believe the disease is as bad as stated, or that you should stay home because it is.
While I agree with your last sentiment, the scientific facts don't care about what one believes. Arguing against the considered advice of medical experts is counterproductive and absolutely dangerous.
> While I agree with your last sentiment, the scientific facts don't care about what you believe. Arguing against the considered advice of medical experts is counterproductive and absolutely dangerous.
There isn't enough data out there to have an authoritative source of truth on what's happening. That will come in time. Until then, there's opinions from many sources coming at it from all angles -- we saw a paper posted that indicated the mortality rate could be one sixth of the CFR.
There's a few things we do know: CFR decreases over time towards fatality rate, so no matter what, any numbers you see going by now are higher than the final answer will be. TBD how much. We know that so far in Korea the CFR under 29 is 0%. We also know old folks are hit way harder than young folks. We also know the disease is very contageous.
It's not out of the realm of possiblity that we've already seen mass spread of the disease and what we're seeing now in terms of exponential increase is measuring the availability of tests, not spread of disease.
> Explicitly dangerous behavior? Going out to a burger joint or a bookstore or anywhere a free person wants to go and was able to go to yesterday is suddenly explicitly dangerous behavior?
Reminds me of what people in Italy said.
> Governments using times of crisis to stifle civil rights is far more dangerous in my opinion. Let's wait and see how many permanent new laws and regulations get created because of all this.
Like 9/11? Don't see many Republicans clamoring to revoke the powers granted as a result of 9/11.
> Like 9/11? Don't see many Republicans clamoring to revoke the powers granted as a result of 9/11.
Yes, exactly. Thanks for reminding me of the similarities. A crisis happens and everyone clamors for the government to do something to make them feel better and now we have the TSA and the Patriot Act. Why aren't more people concerned the same thing is about to happen again? Have they forgotten already?
Probably cuz this time around, the ones that understand the situation realize they they are directly in peril, and the ones that don't aren't even paying attention to begin with.
It's explicitly dangerous to everyone for anyone non-essential to congregate. This virus is no joke. Look at Italy, where people did things like you suggest, and now doctors are literally having to decide who lives and who dies.
Stop your showboating in the name of "liberty" and do whatever it takes to mitigate this threat.
