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"Rightsholders, unlike what the directive says, do not have to justify their initial requests to block content, but only have to respond once a user challenges the blocking of one of their uploads."

I wonder if the law will allow for any penalties or restrictions against a rightsholder who "mistakenly" claims that every piece of user-uploaded media on a website is infringing their copyright.

Presumably a rightsholder could be a company (or individual) based anywhere in the world, and therefore would face no legal risk in making such "mistakes". (A creative lawyer might attempt to use fraud or "hacking" laws against such a rightsholder, but might have difficulty bringing them to court).

Some of the rightsholder's claims may even be completely valid, meaning that the hosting website couldn't afford to just disregard all their claims.




> I wonder if the law will allow for any penalties or restrictions against a rightsholder who "mistakenly" claims that every piece of user-uploaded media on a website is infringing their copyright.

It does not mention any. (ref: mostly page 31 of https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/content/download/16062/162304... , and also other relevant sections found by looking for the words "téléversé"/"téléverser", which mean "upload")


Then, couldn't you pose as a copyright owner and submit a takedown request on these legislators' personal or official content? Let them have a taste of their own medecine.

I wonder how a politician that supported the initiative would react if they had their campaign videos systematically taken offline?


You would just be adding headaches to the PR drones working for that politician. I doubt the politician himself would ever know about it happening.

These people are usually behind several layers of separation from real world.


Don't give up already ;-)


I'm suddenly very tempted to do that...


Are there any penalties for rightsholders filing completely spurious DMCA takedown notices in the US? I'm not asking rhetorically, I'm curious and don't recall if the long-standing US law has any kind of recourse here. (Anecdotally, I haven't heard of any party ever being punished for DMCA takedown notices, and I've definitely heard of spurious notices.)


Yes there are. Note however that e.g. most YouTube "takedowns" aren't DMCA takedowns though, they are YouTube's own copyright controls.


What are the penalties, and has any business ever been punished by them? (I wasn't asking about Youtube.)


17 USC S 512(f) Misrepresentations.

Any person who knowingly materially misrepresents under this section—

(1) that material or activity is infringing, or

(2) that material or activity was removed or disabled by mistake or misidentification,

shall be liable for any damages, including costs and attorneys’ fees, incurred by the alleged infringer, by any copyright owner or copyright owner’s authorized licensee, or by a service provider, who is injured by such misrepresentation, as the result of the service provider relying upon such misrepresentation in removing or disabling access to the material or activity claimed to be infringing, or in replacing the removed material or ceasing to disable access to it.

--

Actual damages isn't much of deterrence, though, considering the typical scenario. Proving actual damages is costly and the ratio of typical damage amounts (nil to moderate) to litigation costs makes it an unattractive option.

The level of abuse at which a court may penalize a party independent of a statutory provision is quite high, so that's not a meaningful deterrent, either, though the situation is so bad there have been some high-profile cases.

For real deterrence you'd need statutory damages, similar to statutory damages for copyright infringement. But Fair Use is such a muddied area of law that litigation costs might still make it unattractive to pursue statutory damages for most people.

It's all kind of moot in the context of Youtube because most copyright disputes happen through Youtube's own internal policies and mechanisms, which are mostly controlled by the terms of Youtube's private contracts.

The best solution is twofold: 1) reform copyright by circumscribing copyrightable subject matter and clarifying fair use, and 2) make self-hosting of content easier, more in line with the late 1990s utopic vision of everybody as their own publisher--as opposed to the current situation where Youtube, Facebook, etc are the new publishers and individuals remain confined to content creation.


The key phrase there is "knowingly materially". So in other words, an automated content matching system which flags up any instance of 2 seconds of matching content, with no manual review step, would not fall afoul of this clause, because there is no law that says a use under 2 seconds is definitely not infringing.


Certainly any automated system would have a known false positive rate. How would you justify not knowing that some content was mislabeled?


Good point, and perhaps the most important reason this remedy isn't much of a deterrent. That said, once you dispute a takedown request I would imagine (hope!) that the moderating effect of automation is removed, making it easier to prove that element if the requester remains intransigent.

But even without automation, "knowing" is a steep burden when it comes to copyright considering all the legal grey areas.

And it just occurred to me that it cuts both ways--the subsection makes both copyright holder and infringer liable for misrepresentation in takedown disputes. If you make it easier to show knowledge of the copyright holder, you make it easier to show knowledge of the purported infringer. The easier it is to meet this element, the more financially risky is it to dispute takedowns.


Prenda law?


Prenda Law has basically nothing to do with the DMCA, as I understand it. They did a lot of illegal things, but it isn't clear to me that they ever sent a DMCA takedown notice to a Online Service Provider[1]:

> In the 2013 civil ruling, Prenda Law and three named principals, John Steele, Paul Hansmeier, and Paul Duffy, were found to have undertaken vexatious litigation,[4]:FOF.5 p.4 identity theft,[4]:FOF.9 p.5 misrepresentation and calculated deception (including "fraudulent signature"),[4]:FOF.6 p.4, FOF.9–11 p.5, p.6–8 professional misconduct and to have shown moral turpitude.

They didn't get in trouble for filing spurious takedown notices; they got in trouble for extortion.

Their M.O. was to sue anyone they could identify by IP address from their own porn torrents and settle out of court for as much money as possible (and drop suits if the defendant wouldn't settle or couldn't pay — they wanted to avoid the scrutiny of a courtroom).

Sending DMCA takedown notices to the Pirate Bay would (1) not get them paid, which is about all they cared about, and (2) likely not actually result in content being taken down, if I understand the Pirate Bay.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenda_Law (DMCA doesn't even get mentioned in the article)


> They didn't get in trouble for filing spurious takedown notices; they got in trouble for extortion.

As far as I saw from following Popehat's coverage of the case, they also didn't get in trouble for extortion. That was fine.

They got in trouble for owning the films they were suing over. (Without letting the court know they were the copyright owner as well as the legal representation.)

I've never understood why Prenda Law's legal troubles seem to be viewed as some kind of victory against copyright trolling. They did things that were bad, and they did things that were illegal, and there was no overlap between those two categories. All of their practices that we think of as "copyright trolling" are still 100% OK. They didn't get in trouble for that.


> Yes there are.

What are they?



> I wonder if the law will allow for any penalties or restrictions against a rightsholder who "mistakenly" claims that every piece of user-uploaded media on a website is infringing their copyright.

It presumably will once some small-time company copyright strikes a big company's media, or, equivalently, some pressure group tries to censor speech it considers harmful (same-sex relationships, media they consider blasphemous) using the copyright strike as a weapon. Once Disney or some big French content owner gets their hand slapped a few times, the law will be brought into line.


One simple way to think of it is that such mistakes are basic fraud. There are already laws to cover this in every country, whether this entails fines or damages or prison.

However it's mostly inapplicable in practice. Neither regulating agencies nor private parties have the resources or the will to go against the (many) abusers. Even if they did, laws and the legal systems are muddy across countries, not a lot could be done with offenders half way across the world. By the way while we're on this, "copyright" doesn't exist as such in France.


In the US, many people have tried and everyone has failed to ever cause a penalty for an abuser. So I wouldn't agree with your simple way, because it literally never works.


Was there any high-profile case that made its way to at least Federal appeals level? Or maybe the Supreme Court?


Not aware of one for copyright.

Noting however there was one recently for a patent troll, CloudFlare vs Blackbird Tech. It invalidated hundreds of patents from the abusing company and was upheld in the US court of appeal at the Federal level. Next, CloudFlare will try to get the owner removed from the bar.

I think it's comparable, although patent law is better codified than copyright. The internet and youtube are recent creations. Youtube was founded in 2005 and didn't care about copyright from the beginning. It took a decade for abuse to get there, it might take another decade for the legal system to adjust, but it will adjust eventually.


That's not comparable at all. Patent trolls send legal threats and sometimes file lawsuits. DMCA abusers do neither.




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