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If those morals say people should die instead of getting the organ transplants they need, maybe we are better off ignoring such morals.



The moral is that embryos deserve the same rights as people, so you’re really just killing one person to save another


But do rats (or other non-human animals) with human organs deserve the same rights as humans? I don't think that the human pancreas is the source of our innate "human-ness" that gives us distinct moral standing from non-human animals. You can certainly wonder whether there is any such thing that gives humans a special standing, but if you also eat pork, you have a tricky row to hoe in that argument.


And some people disagree with the fundamental basis of that moral.


No it is not.

Viability matters here. I realize you see that differently. Realize others will ALWAYS differ on this. ALWAYS.

Frankly, this will absolutely be done. There probably will be wars over it too.

And it still will be done.

And then it will be done sans an embryo, using stems.

Right now, powerful, wealthy people are paying full attention. The one thing they cannot buy will end up for sale. More time.

Buckle up. It is going to get super ugly.


He's not saying the idea is accurate, he's simply stating the idea. No need to argue unless you don't think he's representing the viewpoint accurately.


I think it is accurate, and we all see that how we see it.

There is not a wrong, just grave differences, IMHO, unresolvable ones. At least for a considerable time.

That was the intended point.

People are going to really struggle over this area of tech.

Not so much an argument as it is, look out. Incoming!


Viability? That's a moral slippery slope if I ever saw one.


Yes but according to most western countries where abortion is legal it doesn't matter.


That's a short-sighted view of morals in general. Whenever a new technology is made available to the world, you must take the good side-effects with the bad. It's very convenient to only view this from the lens of improved health service without considering that previously unexploitable biological processes that are now in control of 3rd parties.

This research is part of a larger trend in biology where things once thought to be impractical are rapidly becoming possible. Extend these trends decades into the future; are you okay with a world where people can select the quality/type/number of organs for other people? What about the intentional creation of deadly viruses that select for subsets of the population? What about organizations intentionally modifying embryos to create people fit for menial labor? What about people making involuntary clones of others? And so on and so forth with the presently sci-fi topics.

Whether or not most people would generally agree to do such things, the fact is that they become possible. Without accurately projecting the economic factors in play 50, 100, 200 years from now, you can't actually confirm that people won't exploit biological research in this way.

Consider the atomic bomb as a case study. There are immediate positive side-effects that particle physics has brought to the world; but it doesn't simply cancel out the negative effects, nor can anyone alter their severity. After the creation of the 1st atomic bomb, the world is now left in a position where any of the major world super powers can _literally_ wipe out all human life on earth. Millions of man-hours per year have to be dedicated to preventing terrorist groups from acquiring atomic weaponry, and the stakes of political action have been permanently raised.

Similarly, if producing viable human-animal embryos becomes possible, the status quo of biology is permanently altered. Is it for the better? Maybe, but it's glib to just _assume_ it's better.


Do you consider it moral or immoral to harvest organs from prisoners, as China reportedly does?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests...


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I think most of us recognize a moral difference between murdering animals and murdering people. Especially those of us who eat meat.





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