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RBA not fazed by Australian $50 note typo (watoday.com.au)
111 points by grahameb on June 19, 2019 | hide | past | favorite | 107 comments



"The graphical software package used by [Note Printing Australia] has no copy-paste mechanism and no spelling or grammar check. The text was manually typed in and misspelt at this point," according to a report into the error from the printing agency, dated January 11 this year."


Specialist software for industry can be absurdly shit sometimes. There are seemingly tons of niche software packages used in business that cost thousands per copy and lack even the most rudimentary features normally found in most software.


For a 3-D modelling course at university we were forced to use software that had no undo mechanism (and only ran on Windows). We very quickly learned to create save files after every single modification, because it was so easy to lose hours of work with a single mistake.

In retrospect I wish I had looked for a way to import files from Blender-3D.


I don't know about other OS, but in Windows it's absurdly difficult to build an input mechanism that doesn't allow pasting.


You should try using Citrix remote connection software in a business environment :-)


Oh man, I just remembered that day ten years ago when I wanted to kill myself because of Citrix.


Oh the hours I spent on https://www.brianmadden.com/...


It’s amazing how so many issues that are nominally caused by human error are actually the result of bad design.


Of course, bad design is also caused by human error.


It would be funny if note forgers would use the same software for improved authenticity, re-type the text, and do it correctly - the forged notes could be easily spotted since they use the correct text.



Mountweazels and Paper Towns!

"Fictitious Entry" is a fun read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictitious_entry


"Easily" is a bit of an exaggeration - the text is so tiny you wouldn't be able to read it without putting it up to your face and you'd run into the other security features first.


Not nearly as bad as the Canadian $20 note depicting a Norwegian maple leaf (7 points) instead of a Canadian maple (5 points).


Canada has 10 native species of Maple, not all have 5 nodes. The Vine Maple can have 7 to 9, for example.

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/maple


Supposedly that is a stylized amalgam of 10 different native maple trees.

The sugar maple is an eastern tree; the amalgam is supposed to be more broadly representative.


Well, that one at least makes sense historically.

After all, we -Norsemen, that is- were there way before the British and French.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Anse_aux_Meadows

:)


Uhh but weren't the maple trees there before that?


Best method I've ever used for spotting misspellings in what I write: read the words you've written from last to first. Reading in this order breaks the prediction your brain does on what it expects to read next and stops you from filling in the words yourself or simply recognizing them by "shape" instead of reading each letter.

Of course this does nothing for grammar or general flow nor does it help you if you've spelled the wrong word correctly.


I have text to speech read back what I've wrote. You'll immediately notice incorrectly spelled words and doubled up words.


If you have access to a computer, why not just use a spellchecker :)


I print my stuff on actual paper and do a manual proof read when I think I’m done. I’m constantly surprised by how many spelling mistakes I still find during final proof reading that Word isn’t underlying with red squigglies.


It's easy to autocorrect something to the wrong word. Or write a sentence that passes a grammar checker but is still sketchy.


Spellchecking isn't universal, and I've frequently found myself typing completely different words than I had intended, which are not misspellings. That would be picked up pretty quickly.


Case in point, it probably wouldn't have picked up this submission's title if 'phased' had been written instead as I commonly see these days.


I do, but I'm not going to rely completely on one.


This is also my favorite. It also works pretty well for punctuation and general flow, I find.


The funny thing is that this typo managed to pass through the inspection/review of so many different people. Related to the “copy & paste” between programs, this depends from which point of view someone looks at it, having to type/input information manually avoids copy&paste mistakes but on the other hand introduces human errors. That’s the reason a good company should have reviews and a clear process for its software and documentation.


Australian here: I’ve seen the typo, it’s tiny.

It’s part of the anti forgery features where they write large amounts of text on a building in the background of the note.

You literally need a magnifying to see this error


perfect example of a wontfix.

the error truly doesn’t matter.


Actually, they are going to fix in the next print run.


Unfortunate but at least it's in the minuscule "anti-spoofing" text. Might not even be visible to the naked eye


Until some eagle-eyed cashier tries to confiscate someone's "counterfeit" $50 because it has a spelling mistake


I love that the follow up email which is trying to figure out the blame of the misspelling has the word "thru".


The article's quote of the email is interesting:

> "It is spelt wrong all the way thru [sic] microprint!"

They'll [sic] the "thru", but the article image clearly shows that the sentence in question says "It is spelt wrong all the way thru the microprint!", which has the added bonus of being grammatically valid, unlike the supposed quote.


This could be easily solved using the blockchain /s


I wonder what graphic design app they used. it's such a common problem with these types of apps.

they never include spelling and grammar features as default options.

I think I lost a job because of this reason. I even had a coworker proof read it. I can't spell :(


Once they correct the mistake, those notes will be worth a fortune to collectors in a couple decades. Collectors love errors. And since the history is well documented online you get a bonus of free provenance.


Not with 480 million of them circulated, it won't be.


Perhaps if Australian bills have a similar lifespan to US currency. https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2014/09/12/how-ma...


Our wonderful polymer notes last much, much longer than paper/linen money. Lots of detailed lifespan graphs here:

https://www.rba.gov.au/publications/bulletin/2015/sep/7.html


So the banknote lasts about 20 years, then the plastic takes another 1000 or so to break down?


Except, as you can see from the graphs in parent link there's a lot less of them produced in the first place due to lasting longer.

And then once they are EOL, they are recycled. https://banknotes.rba.gov.au/production-and-distribution/rec...


They don't plan to recall them. Collectors love errors mainly because they're rare. There's 480 million of these and they'll never be worth much more than 50 AUD.


As someone has already stated, they recycle these notes as well. Even though they're plastic, they won't last forever. It doesn't help they're high denomination and therefore less used, but I wouldn't be surprised that after about 50 years, there will be a lot less of these.

They'll be even more rare in an un-circulated state.


With inflation, they'll be worth less than 50 AUD. :)


Even with inflation, they'll be worth 50 AUD. But you won't be able to buy as much with it.


50 AUD is always 50 AUD, but it's not necessarily worth the same amount of burgers


We should use burgers as currency, then.



unless there is a denomination...



Thank you for noticing. What I actually meant is redenomination:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redenomination


Aren't the valuable collectibles generally small batches with messed up production, like a skipped layer of printing or a misaligned coin stamping? I would be surprised if a graphic design mistake printed without issue on millions of dollars of currency would end up being very valuable.


Nope, they won't be a fortune. They'll be regarded as a minor variety and get their own catalog entries, but nobody will care very much.


Interesting that a typo could actually create value.


As with most collectibles, it's value is its distinctive.

Rare but otherwise correct coins or bills likewise carry a markup -- wheat pennies, buffalo nickels, etc.

Mistakes are usually scarce enough that their rarity is exceptional. Were currency errors commonplace, they would not be seen as valuable.

In 2007, the U.S. accidentally minted some Presidential dollars that lacked "In God we trust" [1] [2]. In good condition, one is worth a few hundred dollars.

[1] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/godless-dollar-coins-slip-throu...

[2] https://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/godless-dollars/


This is the appropriate response to an error: "nobody died". I can't help but wonder what would have been the response if this happened in the US? I assume a full news cycle would be taken up with opportunistic politicians trying to score points by ascribing blame to their enemies.


I tend to think it would be about the same reaction in the United States. "Oh those dumb printers hahaha [cue one day of local news stations across the country having an easy story to take up their air time that night]" and then it'd be over.

Though I won't rule out that someone would probably suggest that the mistyped word was actually a valid spelling, and anyone that said otherwise was fake news.


It’s a nice security-by-obscurity feature if someone makes a counterfeit and doesn’t spot the typo. That would be easy to miss unless you had explicit instructions to spell the word wrong.


I doubt someone would attempt to remake the bill from scratch like that, instead of scanning.


Probably somebody at the US mint would be embarrassed and it would be out of the news cycle in a week.

It isn't like they misspelled the name of their country - they misspelled a word that is in size 1 font as a security feature.


Nobody at the U.S. Mint would be any more "embarrassed" than anyone else over a misprint on U.S. currency.

But these people, part of the U.S. Treasury, might be: https://moneyfactory.gov/


I disagree somewhat. US news might laugh about it on morning news coverage. But is it that trivial and a laughing matter? I get it, typos are funny and no one dies. But "nobody died" isn't a valid excuse for mistakes on filing for taxes or legal contracts. Errors do matter, even if no one dies. not to overblow the issue, but governmental trust may require error avoidance for many people.


FWIW, my reading of the article is that the "nobody died" comment was not made for fun or political points or to deflect blame, but to console the printers responsible who were beating themselves up about their error.


Taxes and contracts can a big impact on the people they affect, though. A typo on a bank note has no direct effect on any users. It's an aesthetic problem, not a functional one.


Really? Isn't it going to throw a lot of false positives when people try to spend them and the cashier thinks that the misspelling means it's counterfeit?


46 million bills were in circulation for 8 months before the first person even noticed the typo, so probably not, no.

I've been a cashier, and trust me, we had more important things to do than examine bills with a magnifying glass looking for spelling errors. If a bill seemed suspicious at a quick glance, I swiped it with the counterfeit detector pen, and if it came out fine, I shrugged and put it in the register.


You really think any cashier is going to read the microtext on every bill they get? You practically need a magnifying glass just to see the typo. It's an absolute non-issue no matter what way you spin it.


Did it though? It's been in circulation for years.


I thought the version with the typo was recent?


Years is probably an over statement on my part. A second read indicates probably a year and half.


An error on legal contract is very different from a typo on something that doesn't matter as it doesn't affect functionality at all.


> But "nobody died" isn't a valid excuse for mistakes on filing for taxes or legal contracts.

I have had a lot of mistakes filing my taxes (Spain) when I was working as a contractor. You pay a small fine (100€ for a yearly report) and move on.

You will be prosecuted if you lied in your taxes. But, mistakes happen all the time and its not big deal.


Do you have to pay backtaxes or is it just $100 and move on?


Yes. I have to pay the taxes. The 100 is a fine for doing it wrong and I guess pay for the extra time that they need to spend.


Nothing would happen. Some currency collectors would want them because they represent a minor variety, but, with 480M printed, they wouldn't even be worth very much. There might be a 1 minute story on the news like "look at what those dummies at the BEP (Bureau of Engraving and Printing) did now," but it wouldn't be news for very long, if at all, outside collector circles.


Typogate? In all serious things of similar or greater magnitude than this happen all the time in the US and usually don't get very much attention


After the two-scoops debacle, I suspect that'll be the case until at least 2024. ;o )


I think you have it the other way round. "nobody died" is the pithy and fun response from a politician trying to deflect and score points by being pithy and fun. The standard of error of the part of the government that, you know, prints money should probably be a lot higher than 'nobody died'.


You clearly have never been to Australia.


The article mentions that the banknote passed multiple reviews before release, but doesn’t say who had the ultimate responsibilty for its being approved.


Does it matter? Who fucked up on a typo of this minor amount isn't a problem - even the Governor of the Reserve Bank (who's signature is on the note) says not to worry.


And that’s how a new collectors note is born.


How collectible is it with 480 million of them out there?


Well if they’ll recall these they can become pretty rare pretty quickly as all notes returned to a bank either voluntarily or via circulation would be destroyed and exchanged with new ones.


The article makes it quite clear that the notes are not being recalled.


Not now but eventually they are recalled, notes even plastic ones usually only have a decade or so in circulation in most countries until they are issued a soft recall.


WAToday not fazed about headline typo.


They also misspelt "emphasize" but no one even noticed. I guess the missing 'i' became the "centre" of attention.


Are you saying this is a genuine error, or are you making a joke about spelling in American English diverging from British and Australian English?


I would assume a joke based on the scare quotes around the spelling of "centre". And at the risk of killing a joke (which I liked), I found the chart of "centre" vs "center" usage interesting: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/87978/how-and-wh...


Yes, it was a joke. Yes, I know jokes are hard to discern without the "/s". Yes, that's why the scare quotes.


It could be argued that this is an anti-forgery feature. Or, rather, was, before everyone else caught on to it.


A typo in microprint that nobody will notice without looking very hard. So basically clickbait.


smh the normalization of deviance


isn't this why stuff like grammerly was created?


The correct spelling is Grammarly...


Guy done need Spellingly


Comment of the week :)


Apparently they also lacked human editors with grade-school educations.


Can you cite something linking education level with an improved ability to spot typographical errors? According to the psychologist quoted in this article[0]/study our inability to spot typos might be an innate limitation of how our brains process information, rather than a lack of intelligence/education.

[0] https://www.wired.com/2014/08/wuwt-typos/


This wasn't a typo. One person makes a typo. When creating a high-profile physical thing with text on it, there are authors, editors, typesetters (or the digital equivalent), copy editors, and proofreaders involved. If this wasn't reviewed by at least four people prior to printing, and if there weren't then test printings reviewed by additional people, then the entire process is flawed. But it still wasn't a typo. It was a failure in quality control.

My dig about education level was too subtle, so I'll be more blunt: too many stupid people were involved. People who don't know how to spell (barring special circumstances like dyslexia or communicating in a non-native language) are stupid. Everyone makes mistakes, but when multiple people whose job it is to produce something like this fail, it's no longer a mistake. It's because they were unable to review it and notice the problem.

All it takes is five minutes of reviewing Facebook posts or comment forums to see just how pervasive this stupidity is. Hacker News is one of the few forums I participate in, because most of the people participating are intelligent, and reading comments here doesn't make my eyes bleed.

As the sibling commenter stated, no one died, and this isn't a big deal. It's still an embarrassment.


> too many stupid people were involved

You've gone from one unconstructive thing ("lacked [a] grade-school educations") to another ("stupid"). My link explains why neither one of these adequately explains why people make or miss these kind of mistakes, rather than just hurling out glib insults as an explanation.


I'm going to leave the comment there and own what I said, but it's just grumpy and spiteful so I'll leave it at that.


I agree with most of this even though it comes across as a bit aggressive.

HN is one of the few places I enjoy reading comments because people actually care about communication, and I love reading well-expressed, well-written comments from intelligent people.


agreed - as per the original glib response, "nobody died". Life/death situations are the ones where our brains should be finely tuned & trainable.




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