Honda makes gas cars which can be filled up in 5 minutes from tens of thousands of gas stations across the US. It is not Tesla vs Honda it is electric vs ICE.
You can’t charge a Honda at home, and that with a 200+ mile range covers the vast majority of usage. And then when you do need to drive 200+ miles in a day, which for most people is a handful of days a year, you can use chargers which add 100 miles in 10 minutes. The extent of the charging network is really the only major issue left. It depends on your use case, for an urban, suburban setting or as a second car it’s more convenient, not less.
I have Tesla and use Superchargers. It’s 7.00 for 100 miles and it takes 30 minutes not 10 and they are usually full so I have to wait. We use our gas car for road trips and skiing. The supercharger wait times up to mammoth are 2+ hours.
Think it’s 130 miles in 10 minutes at maximum for the long range model 3 with the v3 charger. It's a 10 minutes break every 2 hours, not an issue for most people. The big remaining issue is the availability of charging points.
> And then when you do need to drive 200+ miles in a day, which for most people is a handful of days a year, you can use chargers which add 100 miles in 10 minutes.
Not as good as a "charger" (Gas Station) that adds 300 miles in 2 minutes.
I’m talking about EV’s in general, Honda Clarity is another decent example.
If your car always starts each day with 250 miles range, stopping to charge outside of the house is a rare ocurrence. Having a break for 20 minutes rather than 5 minutes after 3 hours of driving, a handful of times each year, isn’t my idea of a dealbreaker.
The big problem as I say is the extent of the network, especially in rural areas. Most of the adoption over the next 5-10 years will likely be in cities and suburbs.
Depends. My family always stops at a particular location in Virginia whenever we travel south (or back north) on vacations. Its literally a family tradition. There's no Supercharger close by, but plenty of gas stations.
To go pure electric would mean giving up this yearly family tradition for our summer road-trips. We'd have to change the stop to fit the car (ie: find a new spot closer to a supercharger). That's definitely not worth the hassle.
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We stop for 30+ minutes by the way for food and mental breaks while driving. But the LOCATION we stop at could be a national park, a mall, little towns we've grown to love, etc. etc.
A few of those locations DO have superchargers. But the majority of them do NOT. As such, a pure electric car would force us to give up family road-trip traditions.
> I’m talking about EV’s in general, Honda Clarity is another decent example.
Honda Clarity has 47 mile all-electric range, and 300-mile range on the gas generator. It can perpetually exist on gasoline. But typical day trips to and from work can likely be within the all-electric range.
It won't go onto gas-generator mode unless the battery gets low. Something like this vehicle would work for my family.
Yeah, I see your point, this is I suppose about what is called the destination charger network. This is a last mile situation with a lot of capital needed to build out a full network, which will make it more difficult for Tesla when competing with open standard charging networks. In Europe it looks a lot better, because the model 3 can use any CCS charger. I think we’ll end up with a few percentage points of all parking spots having 10-50kW chargers, especially for places where people tend to stop off on journeys. It’s starting to happen, but is a long way off what’s needed. It will be a lot easier in some places than others because of geography and population density. In some places plug in hybrids will undoubtedly be an important part of the market for a long time.
Where I am, 300 miles will get you almost across the country, so it’s a different calculation from yours!
