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You gotta understand that "American paraphernalia" and patriotism are part of THEIR culture. And it's important to them. It's part of their identity as much as cultural elements of your hometown are part of yours.


Ceteris paribus, less open cultures will be less able to create entrepreneurial environments, especially cosmopolitan ones.

Patriotism and cosmopolitanism can be good friends. Nationalism and cosmopolitanism, not so much.

The "American paraphernalia" as described seems to have a high level of nationalism versus patriotism, which is very uncomfortable for outsiders.

My current definitions of patriotism and nationalism:

Patriotism -- love of country that most benevolent outsiders could approve of and admire.

Nationalism -- love of country (or tribe, "nation") that most benevolent outsiders would disapprove of and could not admire.

They need improvement, but the examples we're discussing seem to uphold these definitions.

They also fit with Macron's claim that nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism. For example, using the flag to divide instead of unite. Or using love of country to pick fights, start wars and bring destruction upon all involved.

"We say Christmas here and if you don't like it, fuck you" is clearly not a patriotic statement. It debases itself, its speakers and its object. It picks a fight and intends to create division, but it has damaged itself from the start by morally degrading itself. That's nationalism, tribalism, chauvinism. It betrays patriotism because it debases the spirit of the country which it claims to love.

A widespread "pay it forward" attitude will be exceedingly difficult in such a society, it seems.




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