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I think that with 'under-capitalized' they had something else in mind than what you're reading in to it, and the fact that they probably are just two guys in a bedroom is what helps rather than hinders in this case, it is absolutely pointless to go after parties like that during collection, that's throwing good money after bad.

You're talking about spending 25 grand to recover three.


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> I'm not the guy suggesting he take out a personal loan to cover this.

I know, that's even weirder.

> I'm just saying that if his creditors want to pursue him personally for the debt they do have the law on their side.

Sorry, but I really don't buy that. In theory, maybe, in practice, knowing what I know about this situation so far, no way.

edit: man I hate it when people delete their presence from a thread like that, Paul please stop that from being possible.


I agree with removing the ability to delete. Perhaps a "Redacted" button where the poster "taps out," karma hits are stopped, but the thread remains for those following the discussion. Maybe even having the thread optionally showing, like "dead" comments, would be ok. But I'm coming late to this conversation (late measured in minutes, not days), and there's no following it.


Second that this thing is unreadable now. I can't figure out what is going on other than some other people on HN know more about this situation than is in this thread.


There's an article on Google that lays out a bunch of tests that courts will use to determine that your corporation is a sham (for instance, if you mix your finances with the company's finances, perhaps by having the company pay your rent or buy your groceries). If you don't have a bona fide company, but rather a fraudulent scheme designed to shield you from personal liability, then the creditors of the company can pursue the shareholders of the company; this is an instance of "piercing the veil" called "alter ego liability".

It's also not relevant to your Internet startup owing Rackspace hosting charges.


Your comments on this submission have been excellent. Thank you.

Without starting everything up again, I'll just mention that the ability to pierce the veil depends some on which state you are set up in (pharma investors nearly insist on Deleware, FWIW).


It's very handy to delete comments to unwind flame wars. I've done it with people a bunch of times here. (If you disagree and it's important to you, let's take it to email rather than kick off a digression here).




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