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Breitbart is far from a fringe community. Just because you didn't see it growing dramatically over the past few years it doesn't mean they have a small audience.


Just because they're numerous doesn't mean they're not a lunatic fringe.


Lunatic, perhaps, but "fringe" actually does imply numeric inferiority.


no in politics it means on the extreme end of a spectrum eg the KKK or the equivalent on the left who where calling for the workers of the world to help our Baathist sisters and bothers crush the uprising.


It's both. It's a visual metaphor for the edge of something, such as the fringe of a curtain or scarf.

Something should be both extreme ideologically, and a relatively small minority to be "fringe".


Oh God, tankies. Can we just not talk about fucking tankies? They're disgusting.


I know :-) for those not who don't know what a "tankie" is its those small number Communist party members who supported the party line on Hungary.


Just because you disagree with them doesn't mean they're any more lunatic than, say, Podesta.


True. Some believe in an open global community and some freedoms that come with that, in many different nuances. So a global communication network that supports that is great. With an open society comes freedom of speech and other related freedoms. Most certainly freedom of opinions, even when the actual opinions and fervent activities from some groups contrasts fully with foundation of the open society.

Mostly, interestingly enough, the premise of these contrasting groups and opinions are actually based on the idea that some third party external group is imposing on their freedoms and well-beings. Romans laid continents under their taxing rule by fear mongering, nothing new and you hardly need a free and open digital global communication network for that.

My personal belief here is that these developments will self adjust. Unfortunately through great friction and pain. Any open society that eventually submerges into the rule of a "Trump/Bannon" group, will eventually self destruct slowly. If the core premise of a society is fear mongering of a third party external group (Jews, Muslims, Republicans, West-, East-, Capitalist-, Communist.. ) the core problem is that you're trying to fix your head ache by shooting yourself in the foot. And then the next foot from that..

Power is profoundly addictive and corrupting. If you've been a failure up to now, and suddenly you're in power for blaming some low influence group, that blame will only grow stronger and stronger with the failures of making a positive impact for the desperate people that put you in power.


> Power is profoundly addictive and corrupting.

I would argue that a small taste of power corrupted the left.

When they started censoring conservative views, banning conservative speakers on campuses, "no platforming", they were not defending freedom.


The corrupting aspect of power is nonpartisan. It affects the right, and it affects the left.


Indeed.

The comment I responded to, however, was partisan and I was simply adding balance.


It's not all relativism, subject to whatever people want to claim. Embracing an ideology of lies and hate fits the definition of lunatic, or close enough.


Yes lets legitimize white nationalism /snark


If snark is all you have...


It depends on how you define fringe. If you define it as something small on the edge of something much larger then being numerous would seem to preclude their being fringe. But if you define it as something extreme in relation to something else than it probably does qualify as fringe. Though it would help if you clarify how it is extreme in relation to something else (Seriously, this would be helpful. I have no time to follow politics and don't know anything beyond the big picture stuff like Trump being the president-elect).


Let me urge you to follow politics more closely; all our lives and welfare depend on an informed citizenry. Here are a couple of very efficient ways:

* Subscribe to The Economist and read it weekly. It's designed for busy people but has real, sophisticated information and exceptional breath of coverage. It's a bit right of center, but not ideological (except their obsession with the free market solving every problem), and very credible.

http://www.economist.com/

* Read this news summary daily. It's a bit left-of-center, but again non-ideological and the coverage is exceptional.

https://www.justsecurity.org/category/news/

* Check the headlines at the NY Times. They are criticized by all sides for being biased against them, an excellent sign of good journalism. Their editorials are left-of-center, but ignore them and read the news:

http://nytimes.com

In about 20 min a day, you'll be better informed than almost everyone you know. Final tip: Skip all editorials, columns, talk radio - 99% is either uninformed, intended to twist things and manipulate you, or both.


Surely the entirety of poltics is about fringe people pushing policies. We have just got used to the main parties and normalised them.




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