And of course, the discussion about fairness isn't taking into account the large percentage of industries that trade in or are based on commercialization of natural resources, nor a whole lot of other things like the large amount of current wealth, as well as industrial and military power still held that was originally bootstrapped or massively grown by colonization, slavery, and wars of aggression.
Fairness discussions like these are worse than useless, they purport and perhaps even intend to be amoral, but fall quite short and instead mislead.
[Edit:] Actually it isn't that they purport to be amoral, they can't be. Fairness is intrinsically moral, and thus if you're gonna talk about it you have to try a lot harder to bring in the real meat of the fairness discussion, like for instance, where is all that wealth coming from. People are quite worried about the lazy dude playing video games but getting a free ride from "socialism" (an abused word if there ever was one), reminds me of the mote and the beam.
I just wanted to point out, two sentences in your edit actually cut directly to the heart of this issue.
Is the base starting point for society moral fairness or at least its amoral approximation of stability? The question of who benefits most (previously discussed at length in the comments) obviously.. by definition.. is more or less everyone.
Where does the wealth come from? the chicken or the egg? the farmer or the chickens? I think it fair to say with the experience of the past few years that wealth flows from the poor to the rich in boom times and from the poor to the rich in bust times.
Who benefits from stability more taking this into account?
Do I even need to answer this question?
- Property taxes - Sales tax - Tax-free executive perks
And of course, the discussion about fairness isn't taking into account the large percentage of industries that trade in or are based on commercialization of natural resources, nor a whole lot of other things like the large amount of current wealth, as well as industrial and military power still held that was originally bootstrapped or massively grown by colonization, slavery, and wars of aggression.
Fairness discussions like these are worse than useless, they purport and perhaps even intend to be amoral, but fall quite short and instead mislead.
[Edit:] Actually it isn't that they purport to be amoral, they can't be. Fairness is intrinsically moral, and thus if you're gonna talk about it you have to try a lot harder to bring in the real meat of the fairness discussion, like for instance, where is all that wealth coming from. People are quite worried about the lazy dude playing video games but getting a free ride from "socialism" (an abused word if there ever was one), reminds me of the mote and the beam.