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FreedomBox 0.7 released (freedomboxfoundation.org)
131 points by Flip-per on Dec 23, 2015 | hide | past | favorite | 35 comments



I like the idea of having your data and services untethered from a specific provider, but I could see a system like this generalized to support any hosting situation, and not just a dedicated home server. My ideal system:

* Minimal effort install to a local machine as well as any of the major cloud providers, and some sort of architecture to easily add more providers.

* Clear separation of system/apps and data

* ability to easily backup and migrate data from one installation to another

* Commercial providers that specifically provide setup, hosting, and support for this solution

With these features, you could choose your level of privacy and effort, and be assured that you will have a sustainable system in the future, even when you're working 12 hour days during that crunch and have no time to mess with your personal cloud.


You should look at Sandstorm.io, which aims to do much or all of this. Some things like migration between servers is still on the roadmap.


I've looked at what this is, but it's not clear to me. Is this an alternative to Tor? How can it enable users in China to surf the internet for free? Is it some kind of VPN? A short intro is welcome! :-)


It's supposed to be a cheap and complete server you can just plug into your own home. Remember answering machines? That they would store your voice mails, and it was a machine in your own home, which you could control all on your own? Your data physically stored under the same lock and key that you use for the rest of your life?

That's the idea with Freedombox. Host your own email server, website, chat server. Servers nowadays are called "clouds", so the idea is to have a "cloud" in your own home, under your control.

It's very similar to arkOS:

https://arkos.io/


This is their goals/capabilities page:

https://www.freedomboxfoundation.org/goals/index.en.html

But nothing on this page is clear exactly which software packages are included, or how the distributed filesystem is federated, etc.


These are the initial goals, but you can think of anything that decentralizes the web and advocates privacy.

Here are the packages that are currently included: https://github.com/freedombox/Plinth/tree/master/plinth/modu...

That's tor, owncloud, openVPN, mumble, pagekite, xmpp, ikiwiki, shaarli, transmission, roundcube.

There are also plenty of ideas for new applications/services/protocols, like replacing DNS, that would be a good fit.


A great explanation of why freedomBox is necessary and important is the keynote from Eben Moglen at Fosdem (Free and Open Source European Meeting) 2011.

Why Political Liberty Depends on Software Freedom More Than Ever

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BSLBvwyUEs

Transcript / Highlights / More https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/TalksAndPresentations#A20...:

Really worth watching.


I think FreedomBox is a Debian "pure blend" configured to provide self-hosted communication services such as blog, dav, tor, voip, vpn, wiki and xmpp on low-power open hardware such as single board computers, and any other hardware that runs Debian.


No, FreedomBox is Debian rather than a derivative.


Debian Pure Blends are not derivatives. [0]

[0] http://blends.debian.org/blends/ch02.html


https://www.freedomboxfoundation.org/learn/

It’s a distribution to run on a small “plug server” in your home.


The goal was to sell the hardware as well, not just the software, to have a complete turnkey server. Like this:

http://projectdanube.org/freedombox/


It frightens me how literal this looks to be intended: that freedom is (almost exclusively) a function of infrastructure, rather than "the human layer". It's a dead-serious attempt to "hot-wire" politics by means of better crypto and smarter tech, to avoid having to engage in the constructive design and defense of laws which guarantee freedom.


Our dependence on technology enables new vectors of control and I am not as optimistic about the ability of laws to guarantee these will not be abused. Trust in government as an agent of freedom is a very recent (not to mention regional) development. I say we err on the side of freedom and don't tempt government too much with opportunities for technology-assisted totalitarianism.


Yes, the name of the project is aspirational, but there's a bit of fallacy of relative privation in this argument, don't you think? Why can't technical specialists use their skills toward a common goal of greater freedom? Should they spend that time and effort faxing their congresspersons instead?


Eben Moglen is both technically and legally savvy (he's the one who wrote the GPL). He works on both fronts, and the FreedomBox project which he inspired is but part of his overall work.


Richard Stallman wrote the GNU GPL. Eben Moglen assisted in writing version 3.


Oh, I thought rms only wrote GPLv1 and got a lot of assistance from Moglen for GPLv2, but I suppose you're right, my bad, it was only until GPLv3 that Moglen had a big impact.


This is because 95% of the time throughout human history, true political freedom from authority is only ever won via extreme violence.

As nerds, we're neither inclined nor skilled in the ways of killing, and we enjoy our modern comforts, so we opt for technical workarounds instead.


> political freedom from authority is only ever won via extreme violence.

Eh, that's the most extreme end. Political freedom from authority is won by having more power, period. That power can come in many forms, but at its most primal can come from having the capability of lethal force. The power of a representative government is supposed to be in being able to vote out those that are destroying you, not in you having to take up arms to solve the issue.


For most of human history, political freedom was won by being too far away / hard to reach. A few miles of moderately rough terrain would do in many instances, or a modest slope.


Money and debt come via violence. ; not really freedom...except in the sense that it isn't slavery (which is directly related to debt and money).

I highly suggest people read Debt: The First 5000 Years. It's pretty life changing.


The FreedomBox Foundation is led by Eben Moglen, founder of the Software Freedom Law Center (http://softwarefreedom.org/), which takes care of the human and law layer.


I think the Freedombox concept is the technical part of the two prong solution to the problem. EFF handles free speech and privacy. Freedombox deals with the just in case situation if/when EFF fails.


> defense of laws which guarantee freedom

Some powerful organizations are doing a lot of illegal surveillance for decades despite of those laws.

Shall we stop using HTTPS in the meantime?


I don't see where they claim that freedom is comprised almost exclusively of their project.


Their website make it really hard to figure out what the heck this is.


This post's landing page is suboptimal. This one is better: https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/Introduction


Does this video interview from 2011 give you a better idea?

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7358702n

Not sure if these guys are still selling them:

http://projectdanube.org/freedombox/

The idea is nearly the same as what arkOS is trying to do:

https://arkos.io/


So far there's a couple of prototypes and no boxes were sold. A small initial batch (100 boxes) is planned for 2016.


In March 2013, in Boston, Mr. Moglen publicly blamed the ever-receding launch date of the FreedomBox on a fire at the dev's house.

Or something like that. I wasn't really paying attention!

The whole thing sounded like vaporware, and I hadn't yet heard him speak about matters of privacy law and software freedom--topics on which he is on far better footing!


Agreed. I couldn't figure it out at all without navigating around a bit. Someone with some HTML/CSS ability should attempt to donate some time to fixing this web page's messaging issues to get the product across better, to those technical or otherwise.


This isn't a product, so it doesn't need a flashy landing page.


I thought the same thing, but then I clicked on the Learn link and it was made pretty clear.


There is a video of freedombox demo from the Software Freedom Law Center's annual conference posted that shows off the FreedomBox.

https://softwarefreedom.org/events/2015/conference/video.htm...




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