Great, I have set a reminder to investigate bloat in Phoenix on December 21, 2025, and hold you accountable per this message :P
Seriously, I'm not worried about Phoenix, but then I don't mind the bloat in Rails, since it is modular (as is Phoenix). I would be sad though if Phoenix went explicitly away from Rails in the direction of Nodejs (composing apps with lots of smaller independent libraries, requiring more configuration) because "Rails is bloated, bloat is bad".
And to grandparent `laut, thanks for provoking this discussion! :)
Seriously, I'm not worried about Phoenix, but then I don't mind the bloat in Rails, since it is modular (as is Phoenix). I would be sad though if Phoenix went explicitly away from Rails in the direction of Nodejs (composing apps with lots of smaller independent libraries, requiring more configuration) because "Rails is bloated, bloat is bad".
And to grandparent `laut, thanks for provoking this discussion! :)