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[flagged] German developer prohibit the use of his program in nations welcoming refugees (treefinder.de)
34 points by andersson42 on Oct 2, 2015 | hide | past | favorite | 27 comments


1- Germany (and many, many other countries) selled weapons to middle east for decades. West Germany supported also Sadam Hussein in the Halabja chemical attack.

Managing director of West German company Karl Kolb GmbH: for people in Germany poison gas is something quite terrible, but this does not worry customers abroad (1989)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack

2- Some years after, crazy people under the 'random name of the jour' use exactly this stuff to kill innocent people and extend the subsidiated terror. Big surprise.

3- The once named 'most generous country of the world with refugees' is totally sacked. Still sunny in Germany.

4- Germany suddently realizes that german youngs can not be bloodsucked for much more time, they are not having babies, and pensions are in danger. They need refugees to keep the economy working.

5- Politics change its discurse to the mode 'all we need is love (and cheap labourers)'. TV help to spread the new ideas. Survivors fleeing the endless war try to move to Germany (and other countries) of course.

5- Young people in Germany afraid of the future and feeling cheated. Microjobs renamed to nanojobs... but the economy improves eventually.

6- Weapon manufacturers, richer than before, start drawing plans to new wars somewhere with more resources to achieve his new objectives.

I agree that the license should be respected and is his right to do so. I can understand also that the new situation can be frustrating to him, but he is not targeting the real source of his problem probably. I wonder also, what have done those humans to deserve to be shooted, killed, bombed, burned alive with caustic chemicals, raped and looted of all their properties.


He's got some interesting views on life in general. I wouldn't read too much into this.

http://www.treefinder.de/downloads.html



Yes, the water pump is interesting but it just will not work for so long at this state. If made of concrete, aquatic organisms will block the lames in a couple of months.


Well I guess it's his software, he does what he wants with the license. OpenSource and free information are not requirements on the internet. It's part of everyone's freedom to do what they want with what they create. I find it interesting that the license is used to communicate political ideology tho. It's some new kind of activism (to me at least).


"It's some new kind of activism"

Yeah that's an interesting way to describe racism, fascism and the general douchebaggery he seems to exhibit.


It's not racism to not want your country flooded with people that don't share the same culture than you and care only of the potential benefits.

The problem is not about skin color, but about culture, religion and economics.

At one point if you put too much water in your wine, it's not wine any more it's water with a strange taste.


You described the definition of racism and fascism and yet you say it's not that.

>> At one point if you put too much water in your wine, it's not wine any more it's water with a strange taste.

Ughhh... ok master aryan race. Do you even read what you write?


Apparently you don't read what I wright : "culture, religion and economics" line 2.

Do you even understand that blindingly accusing people of being racist / nazi or whatever, you're setting the stage for the real thing to come ?

If reasonable people like me can't express their feelings / opinions and are not represented politically without being compared to the worst of the worst humanity has produced, we just shut-up and vote until we are heard.

The longer it takes to be heard, the more extreme our vote. So if you don't want the far-right in power, you don't transform our country in a giant refugee camp because you feel oh so generous with our money and don't care about our culture.


I read it. Unfortunately you haven't even read the definition on wikipedia. Please do.

Also, by reciting slogans, almost ubiquitously used in all neo-nazi groups/parties, isn't helping your argument. A little history lesson wouldn't hurt. I understand you are not one of them, but your opinions have the opposite effect.


Well statistics AND studies show that immigration in germany WILL benefit everyone in the country. Long term resulting in more money in the country, and higher wages for everyone.

Not everyone of the people that flee from bombings and death to have a better life, do it because they only care for personal benefit. They want to have a happy and free life. And they shall have it here with us in germany. And yes, I am living in germany.


>Well statistics AND studies show that immigration in germany WILL benefit everyone in the country

For this, I'd like to see some citations, especially that it will benefit _everyone_.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umqvYhb3wf4 This is mainly my citation, without digging into the details of what he said.


I think he has a more sophisticated view of what's happening in Europe right now.. Don't mix him up with your everyday red neck anti-immigrant American.

Marx's theory of History states that after workers gain consciousness against their capitalist bosses they are going to revolt (figuratively) against the system, capitalism will collapse and we'll end up with "the fifth stage of the history". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx%27s_theory_of_history

Native Western European working class almost is at this stage right now, they have really powerful unions, high wages and big corporations pay high taxes.. There is a fair distribution of wealth. But an influx of cheap labor (refugees and immigrants) distorts this balance, and prolongs the transition to Marx's fifth stage of the history 'Socialism'.


"Immigration unnecessarily defers the collapse of capitalism, its final crisis."

Left-wing, not right-wing.


Not necessarily. The nazis were opposed to both capitalism and communism.


Meh. Just because he is against capitalism this doesn't mean a thing.

If you're willing to see people suffer just because you want to see the fall of capitalism, you're not left-wing, you're an inhumane bastard.


"(1) I want to protest against American imperialism, which I regard as the cause of most of all evil in the world: wars, tyranny, poverty, migration."

Having lived in a REAL totalitarian country in the middle east this always amuses me.

The way to view international geopolitics is purely from the perspective of game theory. If america wasn't as "terrible" we would be ruled by either the Russian or the Chinese. If the British had their way they would have loved to keep their colonies.

More often then not - real life decisions is not trying to get the most perfect outcome but choosing what is the least evil or harmful.

I can understand the reason for protesting. But this person seems completely unaware of modern biology. There is no "european" gene or "american" gene. Neither is there something called as a "syrian" gene. We do know that there is a homosexual gene - which means that homosexuality is natural. While nationality is not.

I would be interested to know his views about the german refugees during the 2WW to places like China/India ( while their european brothers ignored them ) and even the middle east ! Those immigrants even created there own large country last I heard.

The refugee crisis in syria is also a small drop in the bucket compared to the real refugee crisis humanity faces due to climate change. Large parts of London, New York. Since more than 50% of people live near coasts by next century most of us would be refugees anyway.

Are we going to play who is the last man standing or figure out a humane way to deal with this problem ?


Its his property, there is nothing wrong with that.


You have a curious definition of "wrong". It's not illegal, but that doesn't make it a good idea.


Its a question of basic freedom of association. Some people choose not to associate with say, ISIS members. This guy chooses not to associate with people who support policies he doesn't like. Why should those people be able to profit off his labor?


If the disuse of his product is his goal, I can imagine that after such ravings, he'll have little need to pursue it much longer.


"Whoever invites or welcomes immigrants to Europe and Germany is my enemy." - Gangolf Jobb, 2015.


I would love to read his book about his view on life, if he ever writes one..


It would be a struggle


> USA has already been excluded from using Treefinder in February 2015.


"Whoever invites or welcomes immigrants to Europe and Germany is my enemy."

This guy sound like an uber asshole..hope his shitty software gets burin to be never seen again.




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