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I once was gassing up at a station, and for whatever reason the card reader on the pump wasn't charging, but would let me pump gas anyways. So me, and everyone else who'd used that pump that day, received a phone call from the police telling me to go pay for the gas. I figured it was just an honest mistake and didn't think anything of it.

Fast forward a bit, to where I am undergoing a polygraph examination for the NSA. The exam made me uncomfortable and nervous, but I thought everything was going well. Except for when my interviewer came back and told me I was showing sensitivity towards the hiding crimes question. WTF? And when they do this, they're just giving you enough rope to see if you hang yourself with it. But I had no idea why (or even if) I was showing sensitivity to this question.

They called me in for a 2nd polygraph, this time I didn't show sensitivity to hiding crimes, and I figured I was good to go.

No. I get called into a 3rd exam (each exam was separated by a couple months, mind you). This time the interviewer told me "You did better at the hiding crimes question than I thought you would" W.T.F.?!?! The interviewer then left the room and came back with a manilla folder, from which he procures a piece paper which he reads that I had a suspected larceny charge back at home. I honestly had no idea what he was talking about until I remembered the gas station incident. But after I try telling him about it, he tells me that he doesn't believe me and that he thinks I stole that gas. This leaves me extremely flustered and the rest of the polygraph was a train wreck.

3 strikes and I'm out, my conditional employment with them was terminated.

What irks me the most though, is that when I got back home I retrieved the larceny report from the court house, and in that document the whole story was laid out and my account of the situation was corroborated. So what the hell? Why throw me through such a ringer?

Fuck the polygraph.


...received a phone call from the police telling me to go pay for the gas. I figured it was just an honest mistake and didn't think anything of it

So, given that you paid-up for the gas when requested, you didn't intend to permanently deprive the owner of it which suggests that technically it wasn't larceny and could have been sloughed-off as a misunderstanding. Given you were dealing with an NSA interview, sounds like they were playing a psychological setup game to determine how calmly you would respond under pressure in the context of an intimidating polygraph test. Seems like they weren't too thrilled with the responses they elicited. Would you really want to work for an organization that plays those sort of mind games?


> Would you really want to work for an organization that plays those sort of mind games?

With each other, on a regular basis, for little more than shits, giggles and office-politics? Probably not.

Which is why it's more likely that this mind game isn't just some office antic, but instead means to mimic some class of situations that some kinds of three-letter-agency personnel could be required to overcome.


>Would you really want to work for an organization that plays those sort of mind games? reply

No, I don't anymore. But at the time I was excited for the opportunity


You dodged a bullet.


That hiring practice sounds terrible when you frame it like that. It seems like a great way to build a terribly aggressive, pressure-driven monoculture.


"Would you really want to work for an organization that plays those sort of mind games?"

I would like to work for an organization that pays me so I can buy food and pay rent.


I'd definitely want that type of ruthless organization defending my country.


It’s a subjective interrogation with a prop. You tingled his spidey sense.

And was he wrong?

You pumped gas without paying. Did you acknowledge it as a criminal act or as good fortune or not at all? Look at it from the interrogators perspective.


The OP said the card reader didn't charge. The implication is that they swiped their card and pumped gas thinking they paid.

How is that a criminal act?


I think OP's point is that he didn't even remember the event, and the NSA was using the polygraph as a prop to try and get him to fess up to something he believed was trivial, so it was erased from his memory.


Yes; the background investigation produced a police report which I hadn't mentioned in my application. At the time of the gas station incident, I didn't know that I had just created a paper trail that would damn my background check.

On one hand I understand how a discrepancy in the background check would raise concern, but on the other hand I feel that the police report easily shows no wrong doing on my part, and that this "blemish" could have been cleared up at the 1st polygraph interview, rather than stringing me along for 3.


All of that would likely be true of a regular employer. Probably even would be good enough for the military.

But the people you were dealing with, as a rule, don't believe in happenstance, or coincidence. And they absolutely live by attention to detail. I don't know much about your situation, but based on what you've shared, you tripped a lot of alarms.


Only if the agents do not read the folder.

Forgetting to pay at the pump once in your life can hardly be called criminal behavior.


/shrugs

Well then congrats to the NSA; they successfully weeded out a spazzy dork


To be honest, the most amazing part of your story is everything that happened at the gas station. Not so much that you were caught on camera pumping the gas, but that they went after you for it, and that it wasn't pursued in a civil context. Not even a mailing you a bill, or sending a collections agency after you.

Okay, sure, there was no reason not to go inside and pay cash, and ask what's up with the pump, and maybe tell them to put a sign up, when it's all of maybe $20, maybe $40 at stake for a single tank. But I really want to know the background story from the perspective of the gas station. Like, how bad was the hit on that malfunction for them?

I really have to wonder, like was it a Mom & Pop station, or was it some huge multinational chain? And how long did the incident last? Did they lose an entire underground tank's worth of gas in less than a week, or even one day, with no transactions posted? I see "out of order" signs all the time. How did station employees not notice, and disable the pump in time? How many people got scooped up in the drag net?

They must have lost at least six figures worth of gas, and if it wasn't an independent station, I can only imagine that multiple station attendants lost their job for not disabling the pump. For a gas station to open a criminal investigation, to the tune of police reviewing possibly more than 24 hours of footage, running plates for every car that skipped out on a pump's error message, and making phone calls to track down individuals to dispense a warning under penalty of criminal charges, it must have been a real mess, and a total fiasco for the station owner.

Considering the insurance required for handling hazardous materials in a motor vehicle context, where a sleepy trucker could send an entire 18 wheeler plowing into the pumps, destroying an entire station, or a rusty leaking tank having the same effect, it's surprising that they wanted heads to roll over a malfunctioning credit terminal.


>And how long did the incident last?

Not long, I left the gas station and received a call from the police within an hour or two, and I kind of remember them telling me it was only happening that morning.

I only remember that it was a Sinclair station


That's the thing, they want to know if you would bring up things even if you didn't think they knew about them. They want people who would do that, due to believing the polygraph works.

So they questioned them about this thing they knew about and he didn't reveal it, so they thought he was lying even though he honestly didn't remember it.

It doesn't work out well for people who know how polygraphs work in general or for people who do not reveal things they know about (intentionally or otherwise).


How did the police get your number?


Vehicle registration?


Puh-leaze

Russia has it's issues, but the current craze is just that: crazy.

People are becoming more acutely aware of the tightening noose of big money spending in government/elections, and so big money media is moving attention away


this is propaganda


What isn't? Your line that its 'alarming' that Russia is getting away with it? Also propaganda.

Follow the money - who stands to benefit from this newfound hatred of Russia?


when you get punched in the nose, hitting back isn't 'russophobia'


It is "phobia" if you hit the wrong guy back. Which is something America is pretty good at doing, all the while still crying foul.


Newsrooms must circle the wagons to protect one of their own, but when it comes time to make a buck off of someone else's social media flubs...


It's not odd at all when you consider what works of Orwell are cited in pop culture (1984, Animal Farm) and which ones are not (Homage to Catalonia)


Can you expand more? Is it the difference in opinion of the totalitarianism exhibited in 1984 vs. the anarchism from Homage?


His writings critical of the West go largely ignored in the West, which again isn't that surprising. For example his forward for Animal Farm was famously censored from publication.


D.A.R.E

Drug Acquisitions Require Encryption


haha I had the same thought when I saw the title, 'wait, that's just regular commerce right?'


>The openness of our military is one of the great strengths of American democracy.

lmao if you believe that's true.


War is a great way for the corporate media and the government to work together to manufacture public opinion. The Syrian airstrikes earlier in the month was a moment of circling the wagons for the movers and shakers, as the media was able to demonstrate their abilities to Trump and co. that if they work together then poll ratings and viewership numbers go up. It's win-win for the establishment.


> I'm guessing somewhere in Africa is a safe bet, given the lack of resource exploitation there,

...what?


AFAIK Africa has a ton of natural resources still available compared to the rest of the continents (other than Antarctica)


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