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I understand that your comment is related to publicity that this event got, but I chuckled when I read that Honda is an unexpected source of serious engineering :)


A few months ago I tried a new JBL receiver. It was trash (the worst I have tried and I tried 5 or 6 different ones for my room). I also saw their soundbar and their vintage speakers. I wouldn’t agree that JBL makes quality products, but that is just my experience.


Email. All my notes, plans, todos, reminders (via snooze/send later) are in the email. I also use calendar to keep the family in sync. My current "life database" (i.e. inbox) is on the iCloud (like everything else, so it is good for Legacy Contact, when I pass away), though it was in google workspaces before and it can be on anything else in the future (including self-hosted server).


INTC up 5% after hours.


They had largest ever quartely loss in company's history. Any news is good news...


Richmond, VA (USA) - Verizon FIOS, 300/300Mbps - $29.99/month


Someone on a different thread suggested to use the screentime (with a different passcode) and disable icloud settings. Works like a charm.


What do you mean by this: "use Screen Time to disable making changes to your account"?


https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201304

Here are some features and settings that you can allow changes for:

Passcode Changes: Prevent changes to your passcode

Account Changes: Prevent account changes in Accounts & Passwords


You can enable restrictions in Screen Time, and not just restricting screentime. You can completely block Siri and dictation for example, or block account changes like the parent comment said.


With Screen Time you can enable Content and Privacy Restriction which allow you to disable a lot of things, like Account Changes or Passcode Changes.


Wow! Used it only for kids so far, didn't figure out that it is actually a hidden security jewel :) Thank you!


This community is funny at times.

A lot of people had their opinions on those two threads, didn't they?

Kudos to the ones who questioned the origin of the phenomenon instead of declaring immediately that the world is falling.


It's not even at times. It's all the time. Theres many threads where the actual information is sparse but people sound extremely confident about their conclusions. Makes me realise that much of the time people are just making stuff up, there's just nobody to call them out.


You’re not kidding. From the earlier discussion:

> this is the exact same technology Apple lets China use to hunt down their religious and political minorities

> one thing is for certain; Apple doesn't treat privacy as a human right. If you can live with that, then more power to you.

Something tells me people won’t use this as an excuse to accuse Firefox of human rights abuses though.


Anything Apple gets peoples hackles up. I think it’s because “favourite tech stack” is such a tribal thing, and there’s so many more Windows/Linux/Android users in tech communities


I know someone that doesn’t tell people they work at Apple. They say it’s a death blow to making new friends, always resulting in in the same “well, I don’t like Apple because” or “well I prefer Android because” conversations (or their inverse).

I thought they were exaggerating until they proved it to me, by letting me witness the train wreck, at a social gathering.


People seem to have _really strong opinions_ about Apple. I’m in an IRC group and the people in there are great but then very tribal when anyone mentions Apple.

It’s a little bizarre to me, the litany of things they can talk about. I’m pretty sure I spend just about 0% of my energy thinking about where people get their phones or which mobile operating system they use.


What's worse is that the brands they use have became the extension of their identity, or even their complete identify. I once mentioned online that FaceID has failed for me almost once a day, I got attacked online by fanboys.... very strange behaviour


I doubt it. All of bigtech gets the same deranged treatment: Google, Facebook, Microsoft, etc.

It was a weird moment when I found myself defending fb on hn more often than I criticized them (I think they're atrocious), but the comments on bigtech stories are just that stupid.


I agree that all big tech gets it, and to be honest anything that’s not FOSS gets shit on a ton here.

But I do think Apple get it worse than other companies.

Android posts don’t get as many comments that range from conspiracy to calling users sheep.

Google gets ribbed for their ADHD but rarely criticized anywhere as much if Safari or Chrome both add their web proposals before standardization.

Apple hardware gets trivialized when performance comes up whereas Intel, AMD and NVidia get vaunted.

So I agree every big tech company gets railed on here, but I think Apple gets a disproportionate amount of it.

Before someone says it, That’s not me defending them as a company, it’s me tired of the terrible discourse on every post that mentions them. There’s lots of things that would be interesting to criticize them for and read about, but every thread divulges into the same exact community talking points.


I suppose I haven't noticed that myself. Though I spend less time on hn than I used to, and the consensus on Apple used to be dramatically more positive, so it's possibly that colors my perception


> one thing is for certain; Apple doesn't treat privacy as a human right. If you can live with that, then more power to you.

You're inferring that the commenter deduced this solely from the new (incorrect) info. It seems a lot more plausible that they already hold the view (as I do) that Apple's privacy-friendly image is overblown, and used a separate issue to belabor that pt.

Though I do agree that this incident seemed unlikely w/o further evidence, even given Apple's traditional disdain for the user's control over their own system. And Apple has firmly joined the ranks of bigtech cos that HN threads are absolutely deranged about.


This potentially troll comment from the first thread:

> That's It. I am done. Back to Debian Linux full time for me. Anyone want to buy a lightly used MacBook Air M1?

I hope they didn't already sell their M1 MBA!


I hope they did sell it. It’s right for there to be consequences for not being a critical thinker.

Not that Debian Linux is bad. But selling a machine and setting up a new one is friction that I don’t mind seeing imposed as a cost of unthinkingly following cognitive bias.


Yeah and to be clear, that's not merely an HN thing, or an internet thing. People - even people who seem very clever - generally have no idea what they're talking about.

It's sort of exhilarating to truly understand just how much of the world is built on absolute bullshit.


You're right of course.

However, I think it's more dangerous on sites like HN where it's wrapped up in this illusion of rationalism, intelligence and elitism along with HN reputation for a "higher level of discourse" which makes people more likely to believe.

Turns out HN falls prey to all the same human biases as everywhere else.

A quick way to see it in action is find a thread about something you know deeply and read the comments.


At the risk of falling into the age old Eternal September trap, I do feel like I've become significantly more disillusioned in the last year or so at the quality, or rather the lack thereof, of discourse on HN. It's as tribal as Reddit is, and not consistently higher quality discussion.

What we do have here is dang, though, which is a lot more than Reddit generally has.


> It's sort of exhilarating to truly understand just how much of the world is built on absolute bullshit.

Exhilarating perhaps if the goal is to bullshit through life. Fake it until you make it, as it were.

If you hate bullshit, on the other hand, it's exhausting.


Just read through the comments on any popular hacker news post. So many divergent opinions, many conflicting. People are sure they are right.


Some of us are right ;-)

But at least I’ll admit that I’m not always right.


Hackernews has a whole lot of smart people, but the dark matter of the Hackernews universe is the much larger number of schlubs who cosplay as smart people online.


Why bother calling them out? That would require considering and denying their claims. It is much easier to make your own stuff up.


It's equally funny to see the collective sigh-of-relief expressed through this post's upvotes. OCSP is real and can hurt you, warrantless iCloud access still goes un-mitigated, but thank God! The QR code IP leak turned out to be a fake. Who knew MacOS was a nice and private operating system all along?


So... I think replication was needed and have a MacBook myself. However, the claim in question was tricky to verify because it was supposedly occuring over the course of days.

I also think it says a lot about collective anxieties over not using an open OS. The scanning wasn't happening but it was plausible and there wasn't really much to do about it other than try to verify it.

I think the episode says less about collective unwarranted paranoia and more about collective vulnerabilities.

I still am scratching my head about the new tweet though. It doesn't say the scanning isn't happening, just that it's not MacOS.


> The scanning wasn't happening but it was plausible

I didn't think it is plausible which is why I set up a whole bunch of replication scenarios to verify the extraordinary claim.

> It doesn't say the scanning isn't happening, just that it's not MacOS.

I think it's clear that the scanning isn't happening and that it was just Firefox refetching something?

"I now believe the canary token was triggered [...] by Firefox’s “recent” shortcuts on the home screen"


Unfortunately he doesn’t go the full distance and tell us unambiguously whether or not he clicked on said shortcut. Which would say nothing about the already settled macOS question but would say something about Firefox.


OK, now how do we solve it?

I’ve been thinking about this problem a lot. It seems to me you either go full send on the privacy front -> use FLOSS operating systems and self-host Nextcloud, or you want the comforts of modern apps and services -> buy into Apple’s or Google’s ecosystem.

There exists no option where you get to keep your privacy and enjoy modern technology.


How is using good Linux based OSes and self hosted FOSS not "enjoying modern technology".

The systems are very nice honestly, because they give you much more control (e.g. windows vs Linux).


Well, because using any popular service or app is right out?

Just looking at my own phone, payments, banking, planning transit rides, ordering cabs, keeping in touch with (online and offline) friends, streaming videos and music, gaming, ordering groceries, ordering takeout, translating documents, getting breaking news, taking (good) photos, and reporting vandalism to the city are all proprietary apps.

I don’t see a straightforward way to replace any of these with FOSS, and getting rid of them all would necessitate some serious concessions in my lifestyle.


> Well, because using any popular service or app is right out?

> Just looking at my own phone, payments, banking, planning transit rides, ordering cabs, keeping in touch with (online and offline) friends, streaming videos and music, gaming, ordering groceries, ordering takeout, translating documents, getting breaking news, taking (good) photos, and reporting vandalism to the city are all proprietary apps.

Most if not all of those are websites that work fine in a perfectly normal browser on whatever operating system I care to use, in my experience.


I know for certain that the services I depend on in at least half of those categories either don’t work in the browser, do work but don’t have full functionality, or are just the desktop version.


Maybe it's different where you live, but for me from of the things you listed, the only one that would absolutely depend on a proprietary OS is keeping in touch with friends - because many use services such as WhatsApp that depend on having a phone with Google Play Services. And games where you usually have no choice.

Of the others, many depend on proprietary services, but pretty much all are accessible via their respective websites and I rarely see missing functionality.

payments - just use your card. You could even stick it in your phone case so you always have it if you have your phone

banking - there are some "app-only" banks where I live, but for every one there are 5 normal ones with websites

planning transit rides - all the ones I've used work in the browser

ordering cabs - around here they all have websites... or even phone numbers. Even Uber works via the website.

streaming videos and music - Spotify, YouTube, Twitch etc all work fine in a browser (in fact, on mobile they work better in a browser as you can block the ads!). If you want to host your own, there is Plex and similar.

gaming - most games won't work, but there are web-based and OSS games; Steam Deck could be an alternative

ordering groceries - around here they all have websites

ordering takeout - as above

translating documents - this one is weaker but there are several services that let you do this via the website

getting breaking news - if you really need to see them ASAP, use a site that has an RSS feed - they still exist! Might not work for local news though

taking (good) photos - plenty of OSS camera apps; using an actual camera could be an alternative

reporting vandalism to the city - must be specific to where you live; here everything is via web forms, and if there is an app it just wraps the website


Yeah, so it’s as I said:

- some services don’t work (you already mentioned WhatsApp, there’s also others (Discord, FB Messenger) - maybe you can use them in the browser but it’s going to be a subpar experience)

- some have limited functionality (bank: works but you need to carry the physical 2FA device to log in instead of using your fingerprint; groceries: around here, the ones with websites have high order minimums and delivery fees; translating: camera translation (essential when travelling or living abroad) is only on the Google Translate app AFAIK; news: the national public broadcaster here doesn’t have a ‘breaking’ RSS feed, and apparently even the ‘all news’ feed is broken anyways)

- carrying around separate devices (camera etc.) brings us back to the original point: if you want to enjoy the niceties of modern devices, FOSS is going to be a compromise


I'd love Apple to build iCloud hosting via your home mac or a new version of the server they used to sell. That way all data sits on and is processed by a machine you control. Admittedly wishful thinking but I can dream.


I wish I was smart enough to reverse engineer iCloud so I could self-host. This would, of course, also be a massive security flaw.


Another problem that I have is iCloud+ storage limit of 4TB. My family will very soon get very close to this limit with all our photos, videos and other stuff. Is anyone aware of any plans for an increase in near future?


I was in 6th grade when I found "The C Programming Language" on the floor in my friend's house. I picked it up, took it home, and read it cover to cover. I didn't have a computer then, but I was absolutely sure about what I wanted to do in my life.

Thank you, Mr. Ritchie and Mr. Kernighan for opening the world of computer science for me.


I was lent a copy of K&R by an English teacher¹ in my high school (this was 1984ish). I still remember the smell of coffee and nicotine that was imbued in its pages and any time I deal with C code, the sense memory comes back to me.

For a while, under the influence of K&R and The TeXbook, I contemplated going to Stanford to study computer science and then working at Bell Labs. I did neither.

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1. About ten years ago, I decided to try to reach out to him and thank him and comment about how out paths kind of were the inverse of each other—he had a degree in computer science but ended up teaching high school English, I had a degree in English and ended up programming computers—and I discovered that he had died a few months previous. Whenever possible, get in touch with those who influenced you earlier if just to say hi and thanks.


I ordered it by inter-library loan in 1991 to rural Oregon. I had recently learned 6502 assembly language, so pointers seemed "obvious". A few years later in CS101 I had such instinctive feel for them I could hardly explain them to my fellow students.

Thank you K&R.


> so pointers seemed "obvious"

Indeed - having come from low level route, never really understood why people get so confused with them


I can remember writing a large Pascal program in the 80s and really wishing I had function pointers available so I could pass in a reference to a function. I look back on that as an autodidact programmer and realize that I had some vague instinctual notion of stuff that would become commonplace as OO and functional paradigms took over.


surprising -- I picked up the same, also read it cover to cover, and wondered over and over what kind of thinking leads to the small assembly'ish idioms and quirky character IO definitions. "Structured Programming" was obvious to me, and using that design to build non-trivial programs was very compelling, but the constant emphasis on small, tricky ways to move around a character seemed driven by some intense factory of machine parts thinking, not clean abstractions or consistant naming or human-readable coding. I immediately wanted to try this "big phone network" core OS language on my portable home computer with apparently one-one hundred thousandth of the capacity. Other home computer companies were publishing C compilers rapidly with lots of feature tradeoffs, so there was no question that C was the thing to use for me. Not good design at all though -- machine requirement driven totally.


I recently worked to update a Linux-based system that was originally built by a team that had previously implemented the same product on a microcontroller-based system. The Linux drivers are obviously direct ports of the old subsystems, without any apparent effort to understand or leverage existing kernel drivers or subsystems that could have simplified (or outright replaced) their custom functionality. It is unholy.

Now, this might sound absurd by the standards of today (because it is), but this was the transition that every programmer had to make back when high level languages were introduced. It takes time to adapt to a paradigm shift, so it hardly seems surprising when vestiges of the “old ways” can be seen peeking through the curtains of the new abstraction.


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