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I don't understand how the title relates to the content of this article at all. They're even using CLIP which definitely has been trained.

We all have to go to law school.

How could you live in the world without breaking the law if you didn't know what the law was?


There have been many periods in US history where sets of laws were purposefully created that criminalized activities that nearly ~100% of the population engage in. The intent of those isn't to stop those activities, and there's no intent of prosecuting everyone. The intent is to be able to prosecute any individual person or someone close to them, at any arbitrary point in time.

Many of today's lawmakers no longer have that intent, but the system as a whole still keeps running in a manner that allows tools of that nature to be used against targeted individuals and populations.


Yup. Today these are traffic laws (even if you're a pedestrian).


Corporate America is very similar in that regard. If the bosses like you, they will turn a blind eye to all sorts of things. But if they have it in for you, they WILL find a way of getting rid of you for cause.

For someone with no connection to surfing at all, could you elaborate? Why is surfing special, or different from other sports, in needing to control your breathing?

Because panicking when you're being rag-dolled by even smallish waves can kill you, let alone waves of consequence. I don't have the words to describe what it feels like to be pushed to the bottom of the ocean by a wave, then just as you feel like you're running out of air be pushed back down by the next wave, and the next wave. You have no idea which direction is up and which is down, or how long it's been since you stopped breathing. 30 seconds will feel like death if you're not properly trained. Your very large very stiff board will be tumbling with you and could knock you unconscious or split your head open at any time.

My girlfriend got to be a decent surfer (~5 years practice and a former competitive swimmer) but never invested in learning the ocean. In 2018 she went out in a break she didn't know, in conditions above her league. Nothing too big (maybe 5 feet) but strong and relentless. Conclusion: She got sucked into the washing machine during a set and nearly drowned. Had to have the water beaten out of her lungs to restart breathing. Now she has panic attacks just getting into a flat ocean for a swim.

The sea is no joke. I encourage everyone to try surfing, it's a great hobby. But less than 10% of it is riding waves.


"the sea is no joke" trvth I was blessed with "over" sized lungs, and like swimming underwater, and hiking in mountains, so have enjoyed bieng able to do those things with minimal effort. When living in a city, I swam in an olympic size pool, and can go two lengths? (back and forth once+) undewater , but have no idea of how this actualy compares to an average. Got into doing the ?wim hoffman? breathing and like that, but have never noticed any altered conciousness, but that might be because my lungs are so large that I will need to realy realy push it? dont know, but after a car accident I was xrayed, and they were very surprised that the xrays, had to be redone, in two parts, as my lungs dont fit on a standard xray. I sing, and can hold a low note for a long time, and am kind of loud and boomy, unless I am carefull, which is a down side, as it is alarming for people in enclosed spaces. So breath work from the perspective of fine controll and exploring actual true limits, is something that is suddenly, looking like a good idea, for me. consiousness and all that

You should try freediving. 2 length in a 50m pool without weights and fins is way above average. But please take a course first, free diving can be very safe but only if done with a properly trained buddy.

Or just join the foiling community and go 40% wave riding. 80+% if pure down winding. Entree is a little more expensive but you save on not having to travel exotic locations (or not at all).

The one time I see surfing mentioned on HN and of course HN squeezes out the most nerdy take on surfing possible

Literally why I'm here

Everyone else in the water will hate you though. Everyone. Even the sea janitors are above you in social standing.

I think you have got your emotions mixed up, what you mean is called being jealous :)

No, obviously, I understand the hate towards those foiling in a crowed point breaks. But, at least in my circle, most of it happens in places where nobody's surfing anyways. Downwinding is pretty much invisible. Surfing has fallen victim of its own success with overcrowded spots (people intentionally breaking each others surfboards, come on) and the necessary travelling isn't great for the planet either (nor is a carbon foil, obviously)


Not op, just an observation, when you are underwater e.g. diving these things are really loud. Of course jet skis etc are even worse but the latter is not permitted were I go diving. Maybe that's part of the resentment.

Interesting but makes sense, TIL

Why?

Nothin personnel

Not the most convincing advertisement

Surfers try to scare away would-be-surfers. Less waves for thee, more waves for me. I don't even have a girlfriend.

THAT’s where I knew to not believe you!

Just a different type of fun. I find avalanche training to have a similar effect for backcountry.

For some it's sobering, for others it's terrifying.


Yes my wife and I were watching a group of hikers one time and we both looked at each other and talked about how none of them had even seen a demo on using an ice axe. It felt like walking into a kitchen and seeing the chefs juggling knives

Yep, and sadly it's a typical story in the backcountry, sometimes ending tragically.

At the end of my three full day avalanche training the instructor said “now remember, you are now the least qualified people to go into the backcountry.

That stuck with me.


That's a great line!

He's using an anecdote. So, yeah, not a study.

The only point being made is panicked breathing before disaster, versus a little training and a few controlled breaths before disaster. And that he also experienced maybe some of the same mind altering effects of breathing.

Since we all breath, I think in this type of thread we'll find lots of anecdotes around this subject.


I find it highly motivating

You can somewhat simulate it yourself.

Lie down, do a push up, then jump up to your feet, upright, arms raised (Burpee). Repeat in rapid succession twelve times, then immediately shut your mouth and close your nose with your hand. Hold it. Close your eyes and imagine you are under water and don‘t know how long it will take till you can resurface.

You will feel an immediate urge to breath, a very unpleasant feeling in your throat, nose, ears, etc, and an immediate feeling of panic. That feeling is AFAIK caused by heightened CO2 levels [1].

Imagine trying to fight your way to the surface, in a panic, but the turbulence of the wave is too strong and keeps you down. Instead you have to accept the feeling of panic without acting on it, converse your energy while being rag dolled and pounded, trying not to dislocate your joints, keep or regain your sense of orientation, and wait for the moment that the turbulence subsides to the point it is possible to surface again.

You have little control over when that moment finally comes. And while seconds start to feel like eternities you might start telling yourself to never go surfing again. As time drags on, your resolve increases, to the point you might act on it once, and if, you finally resurface.

[1] I have no expertise but this is what I was told and this source seems to somewhat confirm https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3138667/#:~:text=In...


> Lie down, do a push up, then jump up to your feet, upright, arms raised (Burpee). Repeat in rapid succession twelve times, then immediately shut your mouth and close your nose with your hand. Hold it. Close your eyes and imagine you are under water and don‘t know how long it will take till you can resurface.

you forget, ‘put a blindfold on and tie your leg to a doberman’s leash then fall down 3-6 flights of stairs’

pretty similar forces and sensory at play, or at least a similar thrashing to big Teahupo’o over a sharp reef.


A safe way to get a similar disorienting experience is hold your breath under water while in a tight ball and have someone spin you on every direction and reverse it until you can't stand it and then wait another ten seconds.

I recall being swallowed by a wave and while under for only a short period i thought it was annoying not knowing when I'd return to the surface.


You can get hit by multiple waves in succession while surfing, preventing you from breathing for up to a minute. If you're at 180bpm and not breathing for a minute, you won't be coming back up

If I need to hold my breath underwater for a longer period of time I'll hyperventilate on the surface just a little before diving. In my experience your lungs don't "burn" as quickly and so you can dive a little longer.

It’s dangerous, since hyperventilating removes co2 from your blood, and raised co2 level is primary trigger for the urge to breathe reflex. It may feel better to hyperventilate and dive longer but you’re risking suddenly blacking out. I’m a free diver and this is one of the first things you are trained not to do, as well as never to dive alone, for safety reasons.

Ah the wisdom has changed. This was more often taught when I was younger, which yes, was quite a while ago. The warnings given then were don't go for depth with this method, exhale occasionally while underwater, and manage your breath again immediately on the surface.

Freedivers are also taught not to exhale underwater, because it wastes oxygen and lowers your CO2 level, making it harder to know when you actually have to come back up. Your body can't sense the level of oxygen it has, so freedivers rely on CO2 levels as a proxy, so messing with it is dangerous.

And you also becoming much less buoyant and will not surface without actively swimming or pulling the line.

Interesting. Got a good source? I should definitely look into this again.

https://www.divessi.com/en/get-certified/freediving https://www.padi.com/education/freediving https://www.freedivinginstructors.com/ https://www.aidainternational.org/Education/AIDAFreedivingCo...

I've only taken the SSI training but I guarantee none of the different freediving organizations will recommend the type of breathing you are discussing, and in fact a large part of the intro course hammers home that you don't breathe that way.


Any freediving course. You have to breathe normally for an extended time, then dive, then take an extended break, hyperventilation just makes it easier for you to get yourself killed.

The people around the pool and lake where I grew up? From what I'm reading while searching it seems that "hyperventilate" is probably a bad term for the type of breathing I was shown. We wouldn't do it until we felt a conscious change like dizziness but more like 4 to 8 good deep full and fast breaths before holding, enough to notice, but not so much that it presented the dangers I'm now reading about.

That is still considered hyperventilation as a freediver, even though you might not feel any symptoms. The suggestions you gave in your previous post are dangerous and should not be done. Please take a proper course to learn about free diving physiology and safety. Otherwise this sport can get dangerous very quickly.

So just curious. You do want to have the CO2 levels, so you get the trigger to breath? But to free dive don't you want to stay down longer? So is the method more about dealing with the urges? Mental ways to understand the urge to breath, but be able to block it?

There are two gases that need to be exchanged when you breathe. You need to get rid of CO2 and you need to get O2. When you hyperventilate, you purge CO2, but don't really change your O2 content.

This matters only because CO2 is what triggers your desire to breathe, but O2 is what causes you to actually pass out or not. So what happens is that you might pass out before you realize you need to come up for air.


Correct. You can deal with the urge to breathe with your brain. High co2 has additional benefits for your metabolism, you just need to deal with it. If that sounds interesting take a free diving course its a great way to learn more about this fascinating sport.

Adjusted for cost of living, this could be double the wage.

Wait, countries?

A lot of countries picked the low hanging fruit but the trees are very tall.

When making an application one should look from the user perspective.

Say you want to start a business. You edit the profile page, check the entrepreneur box, it goes into a kind of supper pursuit mode with menus folding out, you fill out the company name, >>click<< the button to generate a bank number, a tax number, a registration number, a phone number, a domain name, hosting, etc If you sell something it goes into the bank account and sales tax or vat is subtracted. You press the add employee button, pick a standard contract and fill out the hours per week. Salaries will come out of your government bank account with income tax subtracted automatically. The generated website lists your products and services and is aggregated into a complete country-wide db with everything in it and a glorious search interface. Investors can log in on the website automatically. Upload the business plan if you have one so that AI can give you free money.

Real estate listings pop up, the right machines to buy, office equipment, potential employees...

An agenda is generated with a list of people the AI thinks you should be talking to. Check the box to plan the appointments.

Add music, sound effects and animations to everything as if we are 5 years old.


Google contributes to society.

Search helps people find information. YouTube is quite possibly the most prolific source of learning ever created. Without Google Translate I'd have had a much harder time in a recent trip to Japan.

There's a lot of bad, but no contribution to society? That's a bit much.

Disclaimer: Ex-googler (left 2 years ago).


> Without Google Translate I'd have had a much harder time in a recent trip to Japan.

I haven't used Google Translate in years. You do know there are alternatives, don't you?


I do. I try them from time to time, they weren't better.

I didn't say they were better. Just that without Google Translate, I doubt you would have had a much harder time in your recent trip to Japan because you could have used them, and they aren't particularly worse :-).

It's not just about whether you yourself use Google Translate, it's that - much more than anywhere else I've ever travelled - Japanese people will regularly use Google Translate to communicate with you, usually by typing or speaking into their tablet and then showing you the machine translation.

Actually in quite a few places there (mostly in Kyushu) they used a bespoke handheld device or DeepL.

Try out the big LLMs for translating and explaining translation (e.g. ChatGPT). Much better than Google translate in my experience.

I don't think switching to an LLM is exactly in line with what GP was trying to say :)

> YouTube is quite possibly the most prolific source of learning ever created.

That's bizarre.


They are actively enshittifying search and YouTube. So if these things are good for society, and Google is making them worse , it feels like we shouldn't be giving them too much credit.

Squeeze that lemon as far as it'll go mate, god speed and may the good luck continue.

They actually didn't explain it. Just said there's more hardware.

Ars Technica, being savvy as usual, did figure out the inflation-adjusted initial price for the Switch: $391, which is not for from the new Switch 2 price of $450, especially if you take into account tariffs.


Its there ...

> "we felt that was going to be the right price point for our consumers and the right value proposition, if you will, for the device that we're creating."

> "trying to find a way to maintain... margins on the hardware even though they may be more slim than they are on software,"

TLDR Why Switch 2 hardware and software cost so much? - Because they can.


Underrated comment.

My null hypothesis is that interest rates are over, fat is being trimmed, of course the people most affected are going to be those at the bottom of the food chain: inexperienced new grads.

Sucks to be a new grad (as it did in 2008-9), but in macro terms I'd say wait and check back in two years.


I am inclined to agree, but I was saying a similar thing in 2023 when the job market started to tank. Now we are 2 years later and it is similar, maybe a little better but definitely not a return to pre-2022 levels. It might end up being a 5+ year slow period by the time interest rates come back down and things start heating up.


How do they survive for 2 years without a job?


Really sucks to be them. Try hard and compromise on pay.

I also remember seeing some study that says that 2008 grads' pay never caught up, and that e.g. 2010 grads' pay is higher despite their having less experience. Sucks, but you play the cards you're dealt.


Damm shame. Really hope they remember this inevitable resentment when it comes time to vote on policy. It seems the '08 grads did not.


Vote on what policy? What vote do you think could have made a difference?


Direct votes will vary from state to state. But as a recent example in CA voted against rent control... Guess who funded against that prop?

I was more talking indirect, but simply voting in whatever rep that sounded better without keeping the policies they focus on.


I live in a city with rent control and it's a disaster.

It just caused a massive drop in supply and landlords moving to alternative stuff like temporary contracts to get around it. The latter could be legislated against but would probably just cause a further drop in supply.

Ultimately you can't cheat the market, if you want lower prices you either increase supply or decrease demand.


It's not available for everyone.


> Web search is available now in feature preview for all paid Claude users in the United States.

It is for all paid users, something OpenAI is slow on. I pay for both and I often forget to try OpenAI's new things because they roll out so slow. Sometimes it's same-day but they are all over the map in how long it takes to roll out.


For all paid users _in America_. It's not available for me in Europe.


I think 'For all paid users in the United States' is clearer. I live in America, but not in what the United States considers 'America', so I do not get to use this new feature yet.


Using America as a shorthand for "USA" is hardly limited to people who live in the US.


Apologies, I updated my original comment, I missed that completely.


Might you be able to use a VPN to visit the US (safely!) for a short while? Not sure how Anthropic geolocks.


You can't be serious with this reply. You simply can not.


Which part? I completely missed the "United States" part and have since updated my original comment.


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