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Just an example: if you hold an L visa, your only other option is packing your stuff and going back to your home country.


It's not just L visa(I was on L a few years back, and returned back).

Let's be honest this is far from what people call slavery. They are being paid multiples of six digit salaries, RSUs and work in one of the most happening tech ecosystems of the world.

I would love to be a part of something like this. Heck most of us would love to be a part of something like.

I kind of envy those guys working on these projects. I hope I was the one there.


Agreed. I've missed multiple deaths in the family, important events with friends and sacrificed a large chunk of my life to be in one of the most happening tech ecosystems in the world. Even when I was eventually fired due to burn out, I walked away thinking to myself: "I still envy the people in that office, working hard for that CEO".


Envy for others working to burnout for some other person? How sad.

A CEO is just a title, often for someone who’s can’t get anything done independently.

Musk is an example. He builds nothing, actual engineers build, actual salespeople sell.


This reminds me Stockholm Syndrome.


> Heck most of us would love to be a part of something like.

Nope. At 1 AM? Nope.

Nobody would be in office at 1 AM by choice, they had to for the paycheck.


Hahaha you've never met a real man, neat.


The next outage will have a good likelihood of being the last outage.


Yeah. Multiple entire teams that run critical systems have reportedly left.

It’s over. Dead site running. Such a horrible loss.

Glad the stockholders are happy. This was clearly better than the lawsuit. /s


The shareholders got paid; this isn’t their circus anymore.


some of them didn't. at least the saudis and @jack both rolled their stake over to the new ownership.


No excuses. No redirecting blame. This is 100% on Musk.


let's hope that if or when things turn around and go right you also attribute it 100% on Musk, becase there are a lot of hypocrites running around.


Why do you defend Elon Musk? Genuine question, I can't grasp that.


I don't care for that guy. My problem is with everyone parroting rumours, spreading unsourced garbage and asserting stuff they cannot possibly know.

This seems like reddit thread.

And again, this isn't about Twitter but about the hivemind and virulent hate taking over a sane discussion.

I'd love to see that the same people overblowing this out of proportion say they were wrong if the tide turns and Twitter ends up being better. Not because I care for twitter but becuase I'd like to think this isn't just foaming-in-the-mouth hate.


It matches what I see and hear directly from my friends on the ground at Twitter.

It’s a small world here in SF.


I also blame the previous management. They should have gone forward with the lawsuit.

Instead they took a payout and this happened.

They destroyed their company. I don’t think they knew it would be this bad this fast, but it was never going to go well.

I blame them all.


The lawsuit from the previous management was to force Musk to go through with the sale when he tried to go back on the deal, they didn't make any attempt to stop the sale because they knew he was paying an absurd price.

I don't know that the board had much of a choice though, the best fiduciary sense for all current stockholders was to let him buy the company, what happens after that is of no concern to them. It's the perverse reality when a corporation only exists to make money for the shareholders.


It's free market capitalism, no? The fiduciary duty of the previous management was to its shareholders (as much as I hate that), if you subscribe to that line of thinking then the board and management did what was right for Twitter's shareholders: extract as much value as possible for the shareholders.

Don't think there was a better financial outcome for them.


Well the offices supposedly open up again on the 21st, which is coincidentally also the start of the world cup? That's gonna be fun.


I told someone earlier it’s going down and not coming back up by Monday night.

I forgot about the World Cup.

I don’t know what to say anymore.


What about now?


Running fine just now. I waste a fair bit of time on HN and Twitter and remain unsure why Twitter needs 7000 people when HN does similar stuff with maybe two.


The stockholders didn't have any choice in any of this.


Care to wager?


Outages of complex systems tend to be complex. It’s very likely that institutional knowledge of how to resolve them is gone.


Care to wager?


If it’s a conceptually complex system then the devs weren’t really that good in the first place. Yeah, technical debt happens, but you can’t have both that the system had good technical leadership and it can’t possibly stay up under replacement employees. (My impression is that it will stay up.)


What magical unicorn of a place have you worked at that could survive multiple entire teams quitting at once? Do you think the induction manuals literally jump of the shelf and explain themselves to the new hires that there isn't an HR team to hire, a security team to grant their access and a department to welcome them?

This is like the flight crew being raptured. The plane is going to crash.


This is the ground crew being raptured, the flight crew all exploding, the plane had an engine removed "to trim the fat", the company who sold you fuel pulled out of the deal, everyone on the plane who has ever played flight simulator dies and is replaced one of those people who know just enough to fuck up.


All could, and one of them passed through full employee replacement when it failed to raise a round of funding. They would have to suffer and hire good people, not miscellaneous cogs, but they would survive.


> If it’s a conceptually complex system then the devs weren’t really that good in the first place.

Spoken like someone who has never worked on a sufficiently complex system.


There's a possibility that it's a Rube Goldberg machine written by bad devs that is actually crap and deserves a rewrite, but it's the thing that currently Elon has. If it goes down and there's no one left to bring it back up, how is that not a disaster for him? Is he going to say "Just give us 3 months folks, we'll be back online with much better code, I've got the hardcore devs right h..."

Actually he'll promise a self-coding website within 1 month.. Another month, promise.. Just pay us 8 bucks now and you'll get it very soon!


Hum, idk, it depends on who left. I think I agree that never coming back up is a tall order. There ought to be enough competent people left, but I’d bet something like Twitter will set a record (at least for the past decade) for downtime in the next year


I think the danger is overstated because I sense there is a lot of misinfo and exaggeration going on


> I sense there is a lot of misinfo and exaggeration going on

the bottom part of this thread is basically reddit. everyone is irrationally angry.

they would gladly let the remaining thousands of twitter employees eat dirt just to see elon musk fail.


The commenters in an unrelated thread aren't the ones letting Twitter employees eat dirt... that's a single person that just laid off something like 70% of the organization in the past two weeks.


I specifically said "let the remaining thousands", the keyword being "remaining".

and Elon Musk is firing employees to reduce costs, which is something every other tech giant is doing right now, in a different proportion of course.

those commenters would gladly let the rest "eat dirt" out of spite.


This is O2 assisted apnea as explained in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Static_apnea#With_pure_oxygen_...


The original (longer) title: My job is telling me I have to be removed from my current position to a lower one with a pay reduction because they cannot accommodate me for my permanent medical restrictions from my congenital heart disorder


Is it a warehouse job?


Yes, it's a fulfillment-center position. The person has a medical restriction that they can not lift more than 50lbs for an indefinite period. The job that they had requires "very frequently" lifting more than 50lbs, and so they have been told that since being able to lift 50lbs is a core requirement of the job function that they would have to move to a different position which had different duties and didn't require heavy lifting -- but the position that they had available for the individual is a lower-paying one.


Guessing so, the job requires routine lifting


Why stop at that? Why not a 5 second ad every 10 miles?


Oh yes. Roll down windows, full blasting stereo with an ad, so you can "transfer the message" to as wide audience as possible. Obviously it will lock audio controls so you can't mute it. Employee of the month here.


> you bid what you think the house is worth

Except you're rarely sure how much it's worth. The market is fluid, the psychology is working on you, and the feedback takes too long that by the time you know how much you missed it's too late to learn much from it.


I really love the comparison with previous year(s) on some pages and that helped me spot a real error. The navigation is so much better than turbo tax too.

If anyone is looking to convert from turbo tax, you can import your previous return as pdf and that could cover a lot of details already that don't change year over year.


Note that if you do this and then change your mind, you can't delete your FreeTaxUSA account. You have to manually delete everything you've uploaded and replace your personal information with nonsense:

https://www.freetaxusa.com/help/display_faq.jsp?delete-accou...


> Are people really finding that out only now? I thought that this was generally accepted knowledge even in China, despite the constant fear and propaganda they live with.

Yes and no. You see, 2 decades ago probably half of my peers had that knowledge, that was when the internet was pretty much uncensored compared to how it is today. Over the years they get converted by the narrative and now it's probably 5% or even less that keeps a critical mind when reading anything from anywhere, which is, your know, all censored.


It takes constant vigilance and a high degree of discernment to see through such a narrative. They know its hard to keep up over long term. That's why the maintenance of alternative news sources is so important before it gets that bad.


This is interesting to hear, because distrust got so deeply embedded in Hungarians in the previous and the current system, that at this point, barely anyone believe anything, and the ones that do follow after the conspiracy lunatics.


That's interesting, what I've read mostly says Orban took over most of the media, especially TV and that's been a big reason for why he won reelection. I'm guessing you're Hungarian, is that true?


I just upgraded to this and noticed the Reading List has changed design again! They must have gone back and forth thousands of times on this so hopefully this is the final version.


Really unimpressed by the editorial job @Reuters is doing. This is the headline of this tweet,

> Ukraine's Svitolina refuses to play against Russia's Potapova in Monterrey

And this is the first paragraph of the linked article in the tweet (https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/ukraines-svitolina-...),

> Ukrainian tennis player Elina Svitolina said she would not play her round of 32 match against Russia's Anastasia Potapova in the Monterrey Open unless tennis' governing bodies followed the recommendations made by the International Olympic Committee.

Most of the replies look like they never read the linked article and just responded based on the headline, which is a misrepresentation of the article to say the least.


This is exactly what the mainstream media like Reuters is doing deliberately - creating misleading headlines and removing the context in there to cause outrage for more likes and retweets.

Now you have people on Twitter who have proven themselves to not read the contents of the article rather than as far as the headline.

It’s hardly shocking or unsurprising since tons of people get their news from social media and are easily manipulated by inaccurate and misinterpreted headlines. They are also part of the misinformation crew as well.


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