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This way of working is marketed as such by Chinese manufacturers. They will refer to it as something along the lines of: Made in South East Asia. Sometimes they produce the products in (e.g.) Vietnam, but more often than not, everything is done in China, then shipped to Vietnam for packaging or adding a "Made in Vietnam" label, and shipped out from there. Thailand is another upcoming player in this scheme.

Large companies are well aware of this and happily use their existing Chinese suppliers' SEA entity to avoid sanctions and tarrifs, or to show that they are moving away from having everything Made in China.

To be fair, only gullible or naive people could truly believe that products coming from any part of Asia are not made, controlled, or otherwise influcnced by the Chinese.


Do you work in manufacturing?

In my experience, no, companies are generally not aware and not accepting of this and brands/licensing requirements ensure that's the case. For sure in regards to valuable trademarks.

A manufacturer would absolutely not want to risk their entire business. And that's all it takes for a brand to pull your license. Now what? Everyone is fired and a $120M contact is lost over a few cents per unit.

It's possible that it happens as Chinese factories skirt the rules and make false presentation, but manufacturers spend a lot of money to send someone to many countries and factories to trial and vet them over the course of years to meet brand requirements for licensure before they begin manufacturing with them and often through repeat checks during the manufacturing process. But I'd say that's rare, again, in regards to branded goods of valuable trademarks.


"or otherwise influcnced by the Chinese"

That last statement makes it almost meaningless. Then you can also say, no product on this world was made without US influence. Otherwise all those countries like Vietnam do have a agency of their own (Vietnam for example even succesfully fought china before with military)

And south korea and Japan (and Taiwan) also are somewhat out of the direct control of china.


The country am from is neither in Asia nor influenced by China. People do it because there is money in doing it, simple as that. Chinese accept it (they sell low what other people sell high) because regulation/tariffs put them at a disadvantage and they just have to suck it up.


Offtopic and meta, but, you share a screenshot using Twitter/X? That's really bizarre to me. That is all, just had to say that.


how is it worse than photobucket or imgur


tl;dr when normal people start using things, it becomes noramlised!


Live status here but doesn't seem to mention all outages (anymore): https://metastatus.com/


It's litterally the last sentence:

...any competitor. It’s over. And IMO it’s awesome.



EU customers receive HTTP 503 errors from outlook.office.com

Microsoft says all systems are up and running, not sure if this is a localized problem or not. Can anyone pitch in?


It's not just you. I'm also in the EU experiencing an outage.


Thank you. Now I can let them know they're alone!


Perhaps a small help for you might be "reader mode" or "focus mode" or whatever your browser of choice calls it.

It's usually embedded in the url bar (probably a hotkey for it), and gives you only the text. A major step forward in not having to subconsciously ingest and then choose to ignore all the ads, related links, etc.


Thank you, I'm not sure why I always seem to forget that feature. Although I don't like the Google lock-in, on certain sites I can also visit the AMP version of the page, and have fewer ads while also getting the images.


Lessons learned by Adam: no more signing long term commercial real estate leases with borrowed (investment) money, whilst renting out short term. Let's try to game the residential real estate market this time. He's still valued at over $700 million net worth, so why not fool around a bit more.

I for one, do not have high expectations. His style of just plowing trough and marching on got WeWork to it's impressive fast growth. Not sure he can be a regular, level headed leader of another company in a similar business without being able to be himself.


Truth is people like that are given money and opportunities. As a matter of fact he already raised a ton of money.

Go big or go home what VCs look for


Only going by the title I was thinking of quite a different website..

ProductHunt has become a circle jerk, for some time now. Wether it's legal or not to buy or sell likes on the platform will not bother the type of people selling them, which are most likely not US citizens (going by the Twitter screenshot).

You can read a few comments by the CEO of PH about the situation here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41700517


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