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Maybe we’ll see that change if the recent CAFE changes stick. I think the big bill passed recently set CAFE fines to zero.

> Probably also Ford and GM.

Probably? GM was literally nationalized for a period not that long ago.


The distortion of faces near the edges of iPhone photos is, in my opinion, the biggest issue with iPhone photos. So much so that I avoid being at the edges of group photos specifically for this reason. And it gets worse as you approach the edge of the frame. If you are barely in-frame, you will look like you've gained 30lbs and you've just had a stroke.

Easily solved. Next time have the photographer use the telephoto camera and make them step back a bit so everyone fits in the frame and the faces at the edges will be perfectly fine.

That’s a technical solution but not always socially viable for most of the situations where someone else is volunteering to take a group photo that I just happen to be in. And taking a picture of a big group in telephoto is often space constrained.

Yeah, and it’s an interesting problem because for a lot of casual photos, most people won’t care. But once you do care, there’s suddenly no recourse.

Folks will say it’s just the focal length. But can you crop when your sensor is already that small?


Completely different company with some of the same owners.

"Auto-executes code from the internet" sounds diametrically opposed to "local only"

Yes. However, what will happen is most will be 'fail to local only' but if that update server ever comes back to life, you are doomed.

If you have an sort of a services subscription with a company and they are dissolved during liquidation -- the most frequent outcome is that the service is no longer available for any price. The business is gone.

If you had a landscaper mowing your lawn and they die, nobody expects the person who buys the lawnmower at the estate sale to continue mowing everyone's lawn.

This isn't any different just because it is a different type of service. Cloud platforms are services and like any other business, they disappear... a lot.


Let's not conflate the cloud service, with locking the devices from their users and preventing even non-cloud-functionality.

It's like if the landscaper tried charging me for using my own lawnmower, myself.


If you can use the box without the service, just do it.

I think the actual answer is that you can't. Just because the technology is there in such a way that it theoretically could, doesn't mean that is actually what you bought.


> If you can use the box without the service, just do it.

They prevented that by locking the boxes, and threatened prosecution to someone trying to undo those locks: Futurehome CEO threatens police action after I offer $5,000 bounty to free his ransomed customers - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwSkwh3nWv8


If you buy a device that remotely executes code as a matter of normal operation, there isn’t anything local about it.

It’s more like if they sold you a lawnmower, but kept the key to start it, and now they’re dead, and someone bought their key cabinet.

In my analogy, the lawnmower is the cloud server, and your sod is your smart hub.

But forget the analogy.

Cloud services are services. If you buy a device that requires continued services to operate, and the service goes away, it doesn’t operate.

People might be mad about this, but I’m sure everyone on this forum is smart enough to realize that servers don’t run themselves


They didnt buy a device that requires connected services. It could work locally. That functionality has been removed in an 'upgrade'.

They destroyed the lawnmower and now want you to rent one.


That sounds awfully like a dependency on services to me. If the device is designed for somebody else to be managing and pushing out offer updates to it on your behalf, that’s a service. I wouldn't buy a lawnmower where normal operation of the device let somebody else change it whenever they feel like it.

The point is that the dependency is artificial. The user you responded to said it wasn't sold as a service, as it had local functionality that was removed post-sale.

The customer didn't buy access to a service with a physical product to serve as support for that service, they purchased functionality, and that functionality is (potentially illegally) being taken away from them.


I understand why people are mad. I just don’t understand why anyone here is surprised.

Nor is there really anything unique about artificial proprietary lock-in when it comes to services. As a business practice it’s not uncommon.


> I just don’t understand why anyone here is surprised.

Are they? To me it looks like legitimate complaints and only that.

> Nor is there really anything unique about artificial proprietary lock-in when it comes to services. As a business practice it’s not uncommon.

It's unique in its illegallity. They're lucky these aren't very expensive products, or people would actually go to court and maybe force the manufacturer's hand for once.


I don't know about the home jurisdiction of this company, but I don't see any reason why this would be illegal in the US. Typically most cloud products outline in their terms that services and their features may change at any point.

The illegality lies on the fact that the product was advertised as having certain functionality on its own.

> Typically most cloud products outline in their terms that services and their features may change it at any point.

The user bought the device before ever agreeing to any terms. At that point they're inherently entitled to the advertised functionality, merely by having their money change hands. Any post-sale agreement is separate from the purchase of the product that was informed by the advertisements.


Except there are two different companies here. The company that initially advertised and launched these products doesn't exist.

The second company bought servers that are connected to devices where users have all clicked through a EULA which likely says that they can change it whenever the heck they want.


> The second company bought servers that are connected to devices where users have all clicked through a EULA which likely says that they can change it whenever the heck they want.

And that EULA is potentially unconscionable, both procedurally and substantively, both due to the prior purchase that was concluded before any EULA came into the picture and the overall balance of power in the terms, the reason being that users have an inherent legal right to use software that comes with a device they purchased regardless of any later agreement.


I do agree that the users have a good case for the right to run the version of the software that the device came with. I don't know if they have a good case to demand specific performance from a different company in order to do that for them. I also think that a EULA, whether enforceable or not in its terms, serves as pretty decent notice that continued software updates are a thing that it does, and those updates may change features, then that the current owners didn't violate anyone's rights by pushing out a software update. But if I were a user trying to revert my device back to the original software, I wouldn't be worried about any legal threats from the current owner.

> I don't know if they have a good case to demand specific performance from a different company in order to do that for them.

I mean, this new company pushed the lockout update and imposed the new terms. If we already assume that the users have the right to the advertised functionality, and that the new company has ties to the consumers by inheriting its contractual relationship with them through the previous company's EULA, it would make the most sense for a court to order them to right their wrong.


Liability for false advertising generally does not transfer in an asset purchase. And the original company didn't really make any false statements. They were just unable to continue to uphold them because they cease to exist. But promises by some other company don't really transfer over unless you have a contract that specifically says that they do. If you're saying that the EULA is that contract, well, that same contract almost certainly gives the service provider the option to change it however they see fit. And I don't know the details here, but usually when something like this happens, any acquiring service provider will usually pop up a click through EULA that's updated for the new service provider, before they push out any further updates, to further strengthen any agreements that might be contained within it before they make any changes. But again, it looks like this company is not in the US so who knows how this may work in some other place.

Is false advertising a crime? If so, there are people who are liable no matter which legal entities they used to pull the scam off. Someone authorized it and someone implemented it. There should be fines and entries put in records.

It is, but this doesn’t qualify. The claims by the original company are of a company that does not exist. And when you buy the assets of a company you are not obligated to continue business the same way nor fulfill any of their promises aside from the acquisition of specific contracts detailing otherwise. Whether they have any of the same employees is irrelevant. Besides being two different businesses, piercing the corporate veil is only done in very certain circumstances.

People are just mad that services which aren't essential to operation are being used to force people into subscriptions, or to enable features which could've been implemented without the server (and thus without the additional cost to the company).

Like with Nest going EOL. There's no reason that it needed a wifi connection to operate. The server doesn't hold any useful information and just proxies instructions to your nest device when you use the app.

It would have been nice if rather than wifi being used to communicate with googles' servers, wifi was just used to communicate with your app on your device via the local network. Or bluetooth was available as a fallback.


Yeah, it’s buyers remorse. Buy devices that rely on cloud services, and you are at the mercy of that continued service. I just find it absolutely wild that some seem to be surprised by this in a technical forum of all places.

I’m a nest early adopter affected by the nest EOL. I presume you mean: there’s no reason it needs a cloud service? Because it definitely needs network access for you to connect to it remotely.

But if you are familiar at all with the history of IOT devices, the reason why cloud connected devices took off in popularity, is because they do NAT traversal for you. Most people struggled to set these devices up before the advent of cloud IOT.


This administration and its influencers have some strong opinions about significantly shrinking the size and role of government, and eliminating activities they don’t believe the government should be engaged in.

Yeah, in some sports cheating is so common that the cheating itself has become part of the competition... e.g. finding 'loopholes' or difficult to detect cheats in motorsports, doctoring the ball in baseball, flopping in soccer, etc.

> Simpler: science costs money and leadership believes that money is better spent giving folks like me a tax cut than paying for poor folks' healthcare or basic research.

That's a simple explanation but not a good one. All government salaries across all jobs everywhere in the federal government are about 4% of the federal budget.

The DRPs going on are 100% about "draining the swamp", not saving money. This is literally what the administrators of these agencies are saying on TV news. They think science is biased against their worldviews and they want to replace them.


Trump is simply a narcissist and socialite who has broad ideas about how he thinks the world should work, but like anyone at a high leadership position, surrounds himself with other people he trusts to execute on the details.

In this case, all of the downsizing that has been happening is right out of the Heritage Foundation playbook, literally.

And those plans are largely a manifestation of Kevin Roberts' political beliefs. He, in his book, has said things such as:

> "many of America's institutions...need to be burned"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawn%27s_Early_Light:_Taking_B...

This executive has been criticized as using a hatchet and not a scalpel in their downsizing options precisely because their fundamental driving belief is that all of it is waste and abuse. They don't want any of it.


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