This is awesome. Big fan of Grouparoo and what they're building!

This is awesome.

I think this is a great opportunity for programmers to be able to find a lot more answers through organic search.

Previously you'd have to know that the topic was covered in _ textbook, then you'd have to buy and read said textbook.

Now you can find it just from a Google search. And then you can read the whole textbook if you want. Seems worth it for $5.

Yeah same. I’m logging off for the day

I worked with the Grouparoo guys years ago at TaskRabbit. They're a super impressive team. Excited to watch their progress with Grouparoo!

Thanks! Excited to read

This is really helpful, thank you!

Sort of like Evernote. It's a note taking app until it's your 2nd brain.

Why not OneNote?

I hate Apple's approach of doing 70% of the work all the time. If they truly cared about health, they'd make it incredibly easy for any company to add health data in to their ecosystem and not just try to sell more Apple Watches. As a Whoop user, it's so much more beneficial than their basic Apple Watch stats (which btw are fine for most people, I just want more/better HRV data)

It is easy to add data to Apple health though. You can even do it programatically yourself with the Shortcuts app. There are thousands of apps that integrate with Apple Health.

If Whoop doesn’t, that is surely a choice Whoop made.

Why doesn't Whoop integrate with Apple Health?

You'd have to ask Apple. Probably because they just want to sell more watches

Well Apple Health is an open API that anyone can integrate with. So I'd assume Whoop either A) doesn't want to be modularized, or B) has a data format that doesn't fit with Apple's specification for some good reason.

Oh interesting. I stand corrected then!

I'd guess 2 things:

1) From the less-than-stellar quality of Whoop's app, their data is probably differently formatted and they don't want to bother

2) They want you to stay in their app and use their algos to manage your health data as opposed to Apple's, which they can't control.

You can actually integrate with Health while still also showing it in your app. Health is like a database of sorts which you can choose to add your data to or access from yoUr app. (Similar to HomeKit, actually.)

Right, what I'm saying is that Whoop should, but doesn't. I don't really want to export my data, transform it for Apple's Health APIs and then re-import it. I want Whoop to do that for me. I'd use their App and Apple Health.

You should reach out to Whoop and request they sync their data with Apple Health. This isn't an Apple issue, this is a Whoop issue. The more users who request it, hopefully, the more they'll see the need.

Also, to counter one of your arguments above, Apple Health doesn't do a lot of analysis on third party data short of showing it in charts, so there is still value to using Whoops app for that aspect of it.

As an example, my scale is Whithings, my bed had a Beautyrest Sleeptracker both of these services consume and contribute to Apple Health.

This is definitely a common complaint with WHOOP! Looking into the reviews for the WHOOP 3.0 the biggest piece of negative feedback I could find is the lack of integration with Apple Health. Seems like this is a bridge they'll have to cross eventually.

Or probably people have become vary of companies like Apple and Amazon who are very focused on vertical integration at the cost of killing off the business of their partners. Spotify had to spend decade to reach critical mass of users for it to reach profitability. Apple Music got their much sooner because Apple was able to push it as the default music app.

A company is just a group of people working together.

It can care about whatever those people choose to care about.

That has nothing to do with the position of the company, though. The employees can care about what they want.

Companies used to serve multiple stakeholders that included, employees who worked for them, communities they were present in, customers they served, etc. in addition to stock holders. Slowly, slowly, the definition of stakeholders has been shrunk and reduced to stock holders and responsibilities reduced to maximizing profit. Of course these stakeholders and responsibilities are being further reduced slowly slowly to where companies only exist to benefit large shareholders and corporate executives.

I am guessing you might be young and may not be aware of history of corporations.

It does. If the employees of the company have a coherent stance on something, that's exactly what the company's stance is.

They need to care about their customers to make profit?!

You realise that GP's "real developer" wasn't a challenge to your pride, yes? It wasn't to denigrate you or your skills, just to give context for the remainder of their own post about their own experiences — as an experienced developer using tools that may not necessarily be aimed at experienced developers.

I still don't see why he said "real developer" and not "developer"

By the context it's clearly in response to others giving OP flak. That's why he put "real developer" in quotes, as a dig at anyone who might presume a "real developer" would have no use for this kind of solution.

To make much more explicit the differentiation between traditional developers, using programming languages, and the sorts of people at which things like PowerApps, Google App Maker, or this AirTable are aimed — usually more database-y, business/data analyst types.

(Not to say developers don't use them as well, of course they do.)

Apologies if I wasn't clear, but I was trying to defend you not offend you. In my experience, a lot of people hate on Airtable for being a toy, but I've had a great experience with it. I really like what you built!

bit of a hack

Thank you