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Who told you that these are reasons the population doesn't care about? I know at least in Europe there has been wide support for initiatives such as the DMA, even knowing what it would entail. You're running on conjecture here.


You think the population of Japan will be ok with banning iPhones because their governments thinks other web browsers should run on the devices too?

How many iPhone users, outside of a small group of "techies" are even aware there are other mobile browsers?

Think about your parents or grandparents - not you, someone who has vastly more knowledge in this area. How many "normals" really care... I'd wager near zero.


Apple stop selling iphones won't take the iphones away, not many people care about their next one. The impact would be negligible and every other country would notice they can demand compliance.


> You think the population of Japan will be ok with banning iPhones

Why wouldn't they? Japan has no codified Apple-specific lock-in. Their citizens won't miss a criminally illegal iPhone any more than they demand to import the gold Escobar phone, Huawei handsets or the FBI's ANOM. It would be effortless from a legislation perspective and harm Apple far more than it harms Japanese people.

Japan isn't part of FIVE-EYES, their government doesn't rely on Apple for surveillance purposes. There's no real potential for political blowback unless America's politicians take it personally. Japanese citizens would just buy different phones, no different from what China has already done (without any pushback). If America demands that they give Apple market access, they can embargo the iPhone under security pretenses instead.


It's always the go to excuse against any regulation.


Tech and techies don't like to be monopolized


You really went all out with showing your contempt, huh? I'm glad that you're enjoying the tech companies utterly dominating US citizens in the process


They can "control" them in any meaningful way if they use them for access of things that you do not allow or denies access for things that you do allow. If neither are happening, then you're effectively the one controlling, not them.


The specific issue at hand is sharing. With passwords, I can easily share my passwords. Is it easy to share passkeys? And could doing so be prevented by Microsoft?


The point of passkeys is that you can have many of them unlike a single password. Each device should have its own passkey that I can revoke if my device is lost.


To be fair, even the ones that don't want to get acquired know the bitter road ahead from the opposition aggression.


But you can still have the full power of git with Obsidian still, since they're just MD files at the end of the day.


Sounds like Obsidian but with extra steps.


Is one of those extra steps “not pay $50 a year to have access on all your devices”, or maybe it’s “not pay $100 a year to access via the web”?


I thought it supports most file storage sync solutions? I’m using with the free iCloud level storage I believe.


Sure, but then you can’t access it on windows or android. Or the web.

I’m responding more to the comment that it’s extra steps. It’s clearly not as good a solution as obsidian, but there are no extra steps for it being accessible over the web or to all your devices - not just those for the devices built in cloud provider.


I use obsidian on iphone, Mac, Windows and ipad. It syncs using icloud free tier. I don't have to pay. icloud is available on Windows as well.


If windows or android is a must then use something that has a client in them. I use OneDrive because it's the cheapest in my region. It's got terrible support from Microsoft, just lazy and terrible, but there are third party sync solutions for all platforms.

I think GitHub/gitlab issues is totally viable. Obsidian/Logseq too.


Does onedrive work now for syncing obsidian on iOS? I don’t think it did when I last tried a year or so ago.


If it doesn't, you just need to find one that does. I use it because I don't care about iOS. If you need one that supports iOS, macos, windows, Android and Linux and there isn't one, then it's justified to pay for their sync solution.

Or just use GitHub/gitlab issues.


I use Git syncing on GitHub with 0 issues myself. Since when has file syncing been an issue?


I have access on all my devices through my email provider WebDAV. I don't pay anything to Obsidian for this (but I do donate to them because it actually is the best notes provider, in my opinion).


So I guess the extra step is “not install and configure a 3rd party WebDAV plugin for all your devices while ensuring you have WebDAV support by your email provider”?


I guess so. I'm personally not getting bogged down in extra steps or not. I simply don't trust GH to keep my personal note data for me, it's much too valuable. It looks like it is possible to backup GH issue data... with some extra steps...


I gladly pay those fifty bucks. Creating good applications require hard work.

(I wouldn’t say Obsidian is perfect, but so far I haven’t found any note-taking application that I like more.)


I’m not denying that obsidian is a better solution, just pointing out to the parent that there aren’t “extra steps” to the described solution - it is exactly what it is - but you need to add paid features (8$/m) to obsidian in order to get web access.


No you don't. You can use your own web-hosting or web-syncing solutions. I just use Git. There's an excellent (and free) plugin on Obsidian exactly for this reason.


Does this plugin let me export Obsidian notes as a website? Would you happen to remember the name?


that sounds like "extra steps" to me... and you still need somewhere to sync to and serve from...


Also with Github you can have a private repo for free with which you can host and sync your files.


I thought private repos were the ones that required patment, did that change?


They made unlimited private repos available to free accounts with up to 3 collaborators in 2019: https://github.blog/news-insights/product-news/new-year-new-...

Then for unlimited collaborators in 2020: https://docs.github.com/en/get-started/learning-about-github...


I think there's a limit on the number of private limit. I personally never hit that limit.


I never said Obsidian doesn't require extra steps to setup sync without paying. Do you happen to know one that also allows you to save locally and have back-linking features?


Obsidian sounds like text files with extra steps, but your point remains, plain text files are great. There's multiple solutions from keeping them available across devices.


The extra step is to open the text file in an editor, except in this case the editor is called Obsidian.

Granted, you do have to install it versus using the default editor that comes with your operating system, so that is an extra step. But most people don't use the builtin editors from their OS anyway.


Well yeah, Obsidian is basically a markdown editor with some nice extra features. And apparently a quite thriving plugin ecosystem.


And unlike Obsidian, online only. Can you even backup GH issues? If not, that's surely got to be a deal-breaker.


Can I host obsidian myself? I would like to use it for work, but I don't want to expose my employer to potential data leak.

I'm thinking, host it locally and just let one drive act as back up for the mark down files it produces?


It’s just a bunch of markdown files. You can sync with anything. I just use a git plugin.


As others have pointed out you don't "host" Obsidian - it's just a local collection of markdown files. But if you're asking about a self-hosted alternative to "Obsidian Publish" for creating a knowledgebase that others can answer, I'm Quartz[0], a static-site generator designed to turn Obsidian markdown files into a website. I'm building and it and hosting it on Gitlab Pages at work[1].

[0]: https://quartz.jzhao.xyz/

[1]: https://quartz.jzhao.xyz/hosting#gitlab-pages


Thanks, I just need it locally on my own machine, do t need to share. Just need to back it up. I can't install software, but I can run containers, so I thought I'd just run osidians docker image and host on my mavhine


I recently went through this effort and I'd say it's worth it. In particular, I've used the "Self-hosted LiveSync" plug-in + docker.io/oleduc/docker-obsidian-livesync-couchdb, and I setup all my infrastructure within a VPN (with Tailscale, this was pain-free).

I knew about using just git, but having Windows, Linux, macOS, iOS and Android, it was just way easier to use this solution instead of fighting with git-like apps for each OS.


With Syncthing you don't need hosting. I use it for everything I can.


To have international students be part of the university and contributing to its research?


Immigration policy being enforced is not an infringement of academic freedom.


When it's targeted solely at one institute for the purpose of hampering it's academic activities as retribution? You're being deliberately obtuse here.


> truth-seeking

Amazing double-speak


How is that double-speak?


Those of you who took the time to flag this completely innocuous comment should take a moment to review the site guidelines as you are abusing the mechanism.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


You and others in this thread are using HN for political or ideological battle, which is against the guidelines. It's inevitable in a thread of this nature that people are going to do this, but if you want to herald the guidelines, which we appreciate, we need you to also make a sincere effort to observe them.


> You and others in this thread are using HN for political or ideological battle

You look to be an admin so you can do whatever you want, but I would point out that the only post I made that expressed an opinion is still up [0]. I don’t really have a strong opinion about the issue. I find that I only ever get flagged on HN when I ask clarifying questions on threads like these, presumably because people simply don’t like to be questioned about the claims they are making.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44068235


Yes I'm a moderator here. These politics-based threads are the most difficult for us to manage, because, whilst mainstream politics stories are generally considered to be off topic here, if a story contains "significant new information" and the weight of community sentiment supports having a thread about it, we'll yield - which means turning off the flags and flamewar penalties and spending much of the day moderating it. But then too many people treat the presence of a political topic on the front page as an open door to post whatever they want, without any regard for the guidelines at all. Then we have to spend time adjudicating between different people making accusations against other community members about breaking the guidelines, when, really, the entire thread is against the guidelines, so the whole matter is kind of moot.

> I only ever get flagged on HN when I ask clarifying questions on threads like these

We can't know exactly why people flag things, but it may be because it comes across as stirring up controversy with plausible deniability. It looks like you're trying to bait another user into making a comment that is controversial and could be attacked (or considered to be breaking the guidelines), whilst being seen as being a neutral participant yourself.

Of course we can't know your true intention, all we can know is the consequences of this kind of conduct when we see it.

So, given that you seem to care about the guidelines, which we appreciate, we ask you to demonstrate a sincere intent to observe them yourself and also to avoid baiting others into breaking them.


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