Yes, and Wayland is a pile of shit, so what's your point? Xorg has this one problem, Wayland has countless problems.
Xorg is stable and proven for decades; Wayland has been incomplete and buggy for decades.
I don't run Wayland, PulseAudio, DBUS, or SystemDumpsterFire on my system, and don't miss any of them.
I don't run strange binary code on my system either, so keyloggers aren't really a concern.
I find it ironic that people who routinely shovel foreign binary code onto their system (even automatically downloading and installing it, no less) from untrusted and untrustworthy third parties, are so all-fired concerned about these trifling imagined Xorg security problems.
> 'Because Twitter and Facebook are private companies, their bans on the President do not violate the First Amendment, which protects speech from being limited by the government.'
Actually, Facebook and Twitter, just like Google et al, are the product of intelligence agencies.
Completely changes the meaning of everything that is said or written about these 'companies', when you understand this.
There's a reason China blocks FB, and it has nothing to do with "censorship." Yes, it is really about protecting their citizens from data mining by foreign intelligence agencies.
I think this ISP's action is a good first step, but they don't go far enough. What people really need right now is a new-age Information Service which is not an "internet service provider" at all, or is only such in the loosest sense of the term; a service that gathers up useful data and information from the internet and other sources also, datamining and collating it and presenting in a convenient form for the customer, minus all the ads, Javascript, malware, etc. Sort of like a CompuServe/AOL/DMOZ/BBS renaissance. Limited direct access could be provided to certain whitelisted internet sites, with the vast majority of the cruft excluded.
> But, may anyone reasonably assume that centralized data has any protection against intelligence agencies at the end of the day?
To save myself from vague, inchoate paranoia about them I prefer to concretize such speculation. What is and is not possible?
General rule: don't give anyone data you care about keeping secret or private unless you have a clear understanding of their security procedures.
I assume any data I hand over to any organization is available to anyone else, particularly a mafia or government, unless extraordinary, auditable measures are taken: e2e encryption, open-source, 2fa, etc and the organization has an incentive to keep its clients data safe and/or secret. I trust my personal bank to keep my data safe from the mafia, but I also trust that it will hand over data to law enforcement if warranted. I doubt the NSA has a dashboard that can just look up my spending habits but maybe? I'm not really worried about their looking at my grocery bills, personally, more the effect of unlimited surveillance on society as a whole
To save yourself from 'vague, inchoate paranoia', you instead took a nosedive into cluelessness and naivete.
"I've got nothing to hide" won't save you, because it's exactly the fact that you have 'nothing to hide' that makes you so utterly contemptible to the very evil people who own your mind, body, and soul. Your ignorance and complacency, in their opinion, is one of many damning factors making you unworthy of life. To them (and to me, honestly), you are nothing more than a "useless eater."
This is why they are working so diligently to exterminate you--after they've used you, of course, to do as much damage as possible to those who preach truth.
To make it clear: the only value you personally have in this world, to your owners, is that you make them money. The only reason you are allowed to live is so that you may serve them. As soon as your usefulness has expired, you will be tossed into the fire. "Having nothing to hide" not only won't save you, it will fuck you.
You might be used to a Twitter style dismissiveness, but do read the guidelines. People take them seriously. It makes this a unique forum. Not perfect, but generally considerate
> I've got nothing to hide" won't save you
This is true. It's also a non-sequitur. You're arguing against a very easy, stupid argument that I did not make, and you argued it rather aggressively. How about you quote the specific sentences that led you to this, and we'll sort it out together.
> 'What makes you think this is the case? X11 has an ordered event queue and there is no reason an application can't process the keystrokes in the correct order.'
Frankly, it is completely fucking unacceptable for software to miss keystrokes or read them out of order. This is basic programming 101. Any code which exhibits such a problem has a shit design and needs to be rebuilt from scratch.
This sort of thing is exactly what drove me away from the mainstream Linux distros, to create my own from scratch. If and when I ever happen to boot up something like Linux Mint and use it, (shudder,) the sluggishness of gnome3/cinnamon/whatever and all the other bloatware running on the system is readily apparent. My system is always FAST and snappy. Input lag or missed keystrokes? Not on your life.
Reading through the HN comments on articles having to do with speed, snappiness, responsivness of a UI, and excessive bloat of software, it occurred to me one day that these kids (here's the root of the problem) don't actually have a clue that things could be any different than they are. And that's why we're stuck here.
They have literally grown up with slow, bloated shitware for their entire lives, so they actually think all the bloat and slowness is normal and necessary.
Notice how the GP blames X11? They grasp for excuses rather than exercising deep thought, while demonstrating low standards, complacency, and laziness. This is what happens when the common masses take over anything. Shallow thinking and low standards prevail.
These kids have a false conception that doing away with the bloat would mean losing a bunch of features. But in reality we could indeed have fast, responsive, light weight systems, with all of the same features and even more, if only programmers cared enough, or were talented enough to write good software.
I'm not a Wayland user and do not plan to be. Instead, it is a criticism of the current abandonment of the Xorg project, which I toy with the code from time to time. I also do not use any DE and use X in the leanest way I can, and I still notice such input lag, whether it's playing games or some gui application seeming to register input at a different x,y position than it was clicked. This does not mean I'm a xorg hater, quite the opposite. Studying the codebase, it seems pretty well written and documented and it proved me the "X is unmaintainable" mantra is a lie. I can elaborate more on other issues of the async & client-server nature of X. I'm not spouting nonsense.
I believe the entire point of Wayland was to pull away talent from Xorg development, to keep people in a quagmire for a decade plus working on that junk instead of fixing up Xorg to be what it should be.
Just like how the entire purpose of a certain very Gimped graphics editor was probably to occupy and exploit people who could have worked on some better project. It seems to have worked for a long time; only now after many years do we finally have Krita, but it's KDE only.
It's obvious microcomputer UNIX has been under assault for a long time by those who don't want the dream of a free, open desktop to be realized.
I do agree that there's a spread of FUD regarding X11 and its code but I believe we can win this fight if we're interested in fixing X's shortcomings and making the leap to "x12" or whatever you wanna call it. Don't know anyone else who delves into the codebase though.
Xorg is stable and proven for decades; Wayland has been incomplete and buggy for decades.
I don't run Wayland, PulseAudio, DBUS, or SystemDumpsterFire on my system, and don't miss any of them.
I don't run strange binary code on my system either, so keyloggers aren't really a concern.
I find it ironic that people who routinely shovel foreign binary code onto their system (even automatically downloading and installing it, no less) from untrusted and untrustworthy third parties, are so all-fired concerned about these trifling imagined Xorg security problems.