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My thoughts:

Subscription boxes are hard. I sold mine.

It's hard to keep subscribers happy every month, especially with food.

Most profitable subscription boxes are profitable because they are run by savvy internet marketers & capitalize on novelty, trends, & gifting, not because the products deliver incredible value to the customer.

I think Proactiv is the only subscription box service that's stood the test of time without having to drastically change their business model and they have historically been extremely savvy with their marketing.

If you look at the landscape of subscription boxes, it suggests that for longterm growth & profit:

1. Curation doesn't work.

2. You have to make / manufacture / private label your own stuff (Dollar Shave Club & Proactiv)

3. You should raise money, use that money to sell your first million boxes at a loss, grow rapidly and try to race towards an exit.

4. If your product doesn't solve a major problem (acne sucks, razors are too expensive etc), you are probably doomed over long term (10-20 year horizon), so it's best to sell in year 3-5.


Thank you for shedding light on this. I suspected this was what was happening. They are letting the big advertisers empty their wallets.


Yes, I love this idea. Thank you for putting it more succinctly than I could have.


It's a bad idea.

What will end up happening is that bigger advertisers will spam the hell out of everyone, so people will start ignoring/blocking all ads, including more benign sub-specific ones.

A much better option would be to give users an option of suppressing cross-sub ads. This will still show sub's ads when a user is on the sub, which is something that people may actually want.

Strict relevancy of the ads is the key here. This is what reddit ads have had going for them before this change and it was their biggest and unique strength.


So you made this change to benefit advertisers not Reddit? That's hard to believe.

CPMs should have gone down, not up, since your inventory was expanded meaning same demand for expanded supply. Y'all should also have reduced the minimum allowed bid down from 0.20 since you were expanding your inventory artificially w/ a coding change.

You should have also expected that CPAs for your advertisers were going to go way down once you removed the ad from it's intended context.

Either the logic driving the changes was weak or your explanation is lacking the whole truth.

I see a business in Reddit who wasn't pleasing it's investors and did something hasty to increase revenue.

There was no official communication of the subreddit targeting change to existing advertisers.


Benefiting advertisers and benefitting Reddit are really the same thing. We can't please investors without building a long-term, sustainable business; we can't build a long-term, sustainable ads business without advertisers being happy with our product.

> CPMs should have gone down, not up, since your inventory was expanded meaning same demand for expanded supply.

This really depends, there's more supply available to you, but you're potentially competing against more advertisers as well. e.g. if, for example, there's high overlap between visitors to /r/jerky and /r/dota2 you might see increased CPMs, if there's not other advertisers competing for your same inventory you'd see lower CPMs.


I'm curious why you bother with up/down vote buttons on ads in subreddits when you just continue to show the damned things if I downvote the shitty clickbait ad?


Because it makes ads look more like actual reddit posts. Like if ads are more "part of the subreddit" instead of being an additional separate entity.


How do you tell the difference though? I use an adblocker, so I don't think I've ever seen these reddit ads, but I'd like to know what to look out for, if I disable my adblocker.


https://imgur.com/1b3UTC4

Offcolour background, a little megaphone saying "promoted", all the way at the top of the subreddit, and offtopic (this ad was on /r/HFY)


Without context, that image makes it look a little more sneaky than it actually is. Here is an image of an add on the page.

https://i.imgur.com/KqDwjY9.jpg


Because any interaction shows engagement.


> There was no official communication of the subreddit targeting change to existing advertisers.

Why do you keep ignoring this point?


Subreddit does not mean that it only shows in that subreddit. That's the problem I outlined in my OP.

Their is no interest category for jerky specifically and Reddit certainly wouldn't be that proactive as to adjust my ad for me in my experience. It's an automated system...which is fine...but they swept this targeting change under the rug.


The tooltip says "Targets users that are visting a particular subreddit."

https://i.imgur.com/g6GlErJ.png

I feel like that's pretty unambiguous... Would be interesting to hear somebody from Reddit weigh in on this.

(Also it looks like the system isn't automated: https://www.reddit.com/r/redditads/comments/6z144n/how_long_...)


I sent them a long email w/ all my suggestions for improving their platform. My current opinion of Reddit is that they DGAF about their advertisers.


How long ago did you send it?


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