Don't make me laugh. "Alt-right" is a stupid, nonsensical term made up by news corporations to serve as a convenient boogeyman, and the meme itself isn't sexist in the slightest. Elevated estrogen levels in men ARE detrimental for numerous reasons. This has nothing to do with women, period.
Soy is associated with elevated estrogen levels because of phytoestrogens. Whether or not they actually affect the human endocrine system isn't clear, but you can't deny the customers of Soylent products all share... similar traits.
>Unfortunately, we just couldn't back down from the demands to have a discord server
Except you could've, and still can. People need to learn how to adapt. There's no reason a Discord server is necessary for distributing and discussing anticheat software. Thousands of much larger, more important projects are doing just fine without Discord™ servers, and part of it is the people with influence putting their feet down at the mention of Discord, a glorified spyware platform populated with the socially deprived. Discord is rarely ever a key piece of infrastructure necessary for advertising and documentation for the majority of projects that have one attached to themselves.
For many scenes, the community is an integral part of the ecosystem. Unless OP is the only person who can develop anti-cheat software, s/he's beholden to the community even if s/he's among the leader(s).
> People need to learn how to adapt.
They will adapt by starting their own Discord and cutting OP out.
> They will adapt by starting their own Discord and cutting OP out
Exactly. And it's depressing. People of every community think they "need" Discord (or a similar tool) and if you don't create it, they'll create it themselves.
"Hey, what about if AwesomeCommunity had a Discord?"
"I don't see the point, we already have a group here."
"Well, but some people like Discord!"
"Ok"
"Do you mind if we create a fan Discord community then?"
And presto! The community gets Discord and additional fragmentation, whether you like it or not.
This is exactly it. I’m in a few forums that insist on no discord and unless you go out of your way to provide a chat alternative there will just be unofficial discords.
The good news is that you'll have additional fragmentation with facebook groups and reddit, all overlapping your community so that no two groups are exactly the same!
If you want to post an update to the community for $thing, you must remember the Discord, Facebook group and reddit sub!
"Hey guys, we already have a reddit sub, do we really need a facebook group?"
"Well, if you don't mind I'll go create an unofficial $thing fb group!"
(Bonus points if you subscribe to all and get to see the same content being posted to every venue, with somewhat the same people reacting to it. It boggles the mind)
It always ends up being a doomed if you do, doomed if you don't.
If you don't post on those groups or create them, they get created anyway, and now they exist and you have no direct influence on them; and that can easily result in a community misunderstanding and split.
And if you do create them, you've encouraged walled gardening and there will STILL be stuff not duplicated.
Splits can always happen, and are probably a good thing once the community gets big enough, and it is also a good thing that these splits are even easier if you're not using platforms.
Doesn't mean you have to support the people that chose to go elsewhere and tolerate those that are advertising platforms.
> and are probably a good thing once the community gets big enough
Splits are happening in small-ish communities too. People don't know why, but they have to have Discord, facebook, reddit, etc. And if you join all of them -- which you often do in case they are similar but not exactly the same ("Why are you asking this? The answer was posted to the facebook group! Oh, but we are in Reddit, never mind, here's a link to fb") -- you'll see some of the same people in all of them. The one caveat is that the "owner" of the community (say, the game devs if this is about a game) are likely to be more active in only one of the platforms; Murphy's Law dictates it likely won't be in the one you prefer.
Which really raises the question, if (almost) the same bunch of people is posting in Discord/fb/reddit/whatever, do we really need all those platforms? What purpose do they serve?
But indeed it's doomed if you do and doomed if you don't. You have no control. You can be sure someone will create that goddamn Discord.
Yeah, the best you can do (as the "leader" or dev or whatever) is pick ONE and stick with it religiously. And "reddit" is probably the best of the worst available, at least it can be linked from elsewhere.
But for large groups of the world (who are not 'gamers' or 'computer literate' or whatever) Facebook wins because everyone has Facebook.
I loved phpbb forums! I felt in control. Sadly, every community I was part of has moved on from there. One private community (I'm talking fewer than 15 members) I belong to moved to Discord.
It went like this:
"Hey, let's have a Discord"
(me) "But I don't wanna."
"Yesss... it's optional, the forum won't cease to exist and you can opt-out of Discord".
Current situation: the phpbb forum is all but dead. All of the activity happens in Discord. For no good reason, except that people who are online and chatting 24/7 like it. I don't. The forum has died for me.
Rinse and repeat for many other communities I used to enjoy (sometimes it's not Discord but facebook groups, with their absolutely aweful usability which is miles worse than phpbb, but you get the idea).
But, yet again, did you stand your ground and did NOT keep using Discord / (ugh) Facebook ? The forum is only dead if there's nobody posting (or I guess, only 1 person, but it can still be used as a blog of sorts at that point).
I've noticed that one small sized community still has an active forum at the same time as a Discord, I suspect because one/two of the users have absolutely refused to use Discord (it might help here that they are 60+ years old ?).
It makes no sense to stand my ground since the whole purpose of the forum was to stay in touch with a small group of people. The majority moved on to Discord. They haven't officially abandoned the forum, they just don't post there. I tried posting, got zero replies (for a couple of years), then abandoned the forum myself.
I've seen this happen more than once. "Resisting" is not an option if you value the group of people more than the software platform. What would be the point of "making my stand" in phpbb? The forum software is not my friend.
> but it can still be used as a blog of sorts at that point
No. Why would I want a blog? I wanted to keep this community of people.
Depends how much you value these people I guess. (And this is also about not using platforms on principle.)
But I can see how this can be tempting for interacting with people that aren't friends yet (so won't spend extra effort to communicate with you via the medium of your choice), but aren't just random acquaintances any more.
(But personally, at this point I don't see why I would want to associate myself with the kind of people that insist on using platforms.)
The people come first, the software comes second. Always. I value people over software.
> (But personally, at this point I don't see why I would want to associate myself with the kind of people that insist on using platforms.)
I... don't know how to respond to this. Yours is such a bizarre take to me. People come first, my preferred software (platform or not) comes a very distant second.
Yes. But I mean, these are not communities I created myself. Whatever the platform (phpbb, reddit, fb, etc) I always witness a sizeable portion of the community split away to something else (Discord, etc). It's maddening.
Assuming you must use proprietary solutions to reach your people, RMS's solution is to use the other platforms to convert to your open platform. Maybe that won't work for everyone, but at least it allows usage of cockroach motel systems to your open one.
Hmm, I don't know, social media is really good at addicting you, speaking from experience, even owning an account that you don't intend to use is "dangerous", and this seems much worse.
(At least Stallman's advice is targeted at organizations, where the official nature of communications might stop the person doing the job getting in the engagement trap...)
True, but if you're running a website like that where you pull people from, then you should also do some automation work via NodeRed to automate those social media flows.
Its hard to be suckered into a social media site if you never go there. Then again, HN is also a social media site too.
Discord is huge with the kids today. I saw my nephew kept checking his phone and like a typical old fart I challenged him and asked what the hell he's checking. Turns out it's discord. He subscribes to channels on discord, some are read-only, just a way of distributing notifications.
The draw is the single sign on. You sign on to one simple service and you have all your friends, all the games you follow, all the groups.
That NSA datacenter in Utah is probably at what, a few hundred exabytes of capacity now? They should make themselves useful for once and repopulate all the dead images they've certainly collected over the past few decades.
I wouldn't be surprised if the NSA datacenter has only a fraction of the claimed capacity and they used the secrecy to embezzle funds on top of the overpaid contracts to Quislings. Because that is what authoritarians do to buy loyalty.
After all their nominal function is to prevent terrorism by sorting through needle stacks many months after the fact. Failure just means more chances to attack encryption again!
This is the problem of the shitweb. Shitweb being a concern from law enforcement agencies regarding the difficulties to capture and analyze internet activities that are buried in pictures with text, video, hyperlocal cultural language (think l33tspeak) and temporal communications. The size of the datacentre likely won't help much.
(Tried to find a link to the definition of shitweb, wow not a great search)
The headline aside, people are absolutely going to grow closer to technology as it becomes more generally useful, its simply a matter of efficiency. Lots of people already live their lives being guided around by the invisible algorithms powering search engines and social media websites. The levels at which sites like Youtube and Twitter control peoples perception is insane. We're lucky that the people running them are too incompetent to make use of their personalized curation functions fully.
4channers use Normalfag. "Normie" is the sanitized version for Redditors and Youtubers that are too afraid to use the -fag suffix. Same with the "Glowie" meme.
In that case, I think this conversation may be entirely wrong as "normie" is in no way a new term, and it's not fear keeping people from using the suffix/slur so I don't think people would go looking for a safe alternative.
>This title implies we are injecting third-party advertising into web forms, which is not the case.
Its okay everybody, the CEO came out and said its *not* actually advertising but just simply an unsolicited, intrusive pop-up that tries to get users to use more of their services so its all good!
Happy DDG user who also hates extra popups while browsing here:
I think this only happens if you install the DDG extension. So it's not exactly unsolicited.
I totally get DDG wanting people to be aware of their services. I use their email proxy service and it seems like a solid addition to their portfolio. For me, anything that requires additional action or distraction when I'm just trying to do this one quick thing gets disabled / removed.
How often are people actually signing up for things? Maybe this could be a separate extension or at least have an easier way to mute the injected ad?
It's literally what the extension does and what it's for.
It's a bit weird to call intended functionality for sonething you install explicitly for that purpose an "ad". Let alone an "obnoxious" one.
I mean, how else would you expect "email protection in the browser" to work at an extension level, other than the extension trigerring a message with more information when you're about to type your email?
I think I should clarify that I installed this extension quite a long time ago ago, and it has never served an unsolicited inline notification to me of any kind. The stated purpose at the time was website tracking protection, similar to something like PrivacyBadger, and that's what I use it for. It added a small button to my extensions menu that I can click to see some information about the website's requests and turn tracking protection on or off. The behavior I am criticizing in this post is not what the extension was for when I installed it, and it's not something it's ever done before.
I think it would be reasonable to notify me about this new feature in a less disruptive way, like from the extension's existing information pane. Inserting that inline into the websites I use isn't the only way to notify me, but it does seem like the most obnoxious way to do that.
Don't make me laugh. "Alt-right" is a stupid, nonsensical term made up by news corporations to serve as a convenient boogeyman, and the meme itself isn't sexist in the slightest. Elevated estrogen levels in men ARE detrimental for numerous reasons. This has nothing to do with women, period.
Soy is associated with elevated estrogen levels because of phytoestrogens. Whether or not they actually affect the human endocrine system isn't clear, but you can't deny the customers of Soylent products all share... similar traits.